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Bad guys changed from Chinese to North Korean in Red Dawn remake at the height of Hollywood appeasing China in 2012 – but it still flopped Article

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/entertainment/article/3190918/bad-guys-changed-chinese-north-korean-red-dawn-remake
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u/HumpieDouglas Sep 02 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It failed because it was a shit movie.

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u/grrrrreat Sep 02 '22

Yeah, most people don't pick movies based on the bad guy

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u/Arsenio3 Sep 02 '22

Top Gun Maverick doesn’t even SAY who the baddies are. They are just the target.

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u/shaving99 Sep 02 '22

The real bad guy was old age

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u/AgoraiosBum Sep 02 '22 Defeated

Most vicious kill in the whole movie came from cancer

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u/RedditSpyAccount Sep 02 '22

The real bad guy was the friends we made along the way… wait a minute. That can’t be right.

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u/I-WANT2SEE-CUTE-TITS Sep 02 '22 Silver

American foreign policy do be like that tho.

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u/TheReaIOG Sep 02 '22

I believe our mujahideen brothers will be victorious against the Soviets! - some US general, probably.

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u/Andre4kthegreengiant Sep 02 '22

Not a general, just a soldier boy

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u/veryloudnoises Sep 02 '22

That was basically the original dedication in Rambo III, if memory serves

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u/matva55 Sep 02 '22

MBS enters the chat

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u/FMLAdad Sep 02 '22

Depends on the shade

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

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u/TheTartanDervish Sep 02 '22

Tomorrow When The War Began from Australia is a way better movie. Red Dawn didn't need a remake.

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u/Quizzelbuck Sep 02 '22 Take My Energy

What are you talkin about? Tom cruise is 35 years old and 6 ft 5in tall.

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u/thtamthrfckr Sep 02 '22

How else could he play shirtless beach football in tailored stretch denim capris?!?

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u/cownd Sep 02 '22 Take My Energy

Scientologic fact

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u/HavelsRockJohnson Sep 02 '22

Those two words are so rarely combined you'd think they were on the top shelf of Tom Cruise's kitchen.

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u/DreamOfTheEndlessSky Sep 02 '22

6 ft 5in tall

"But take back one kadam to honor the Hebrew God whose Ark this is …"

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u/-DeM-oN Sep 02 '22

Real bad guys were birds!

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u/XuX24 Sep 02 '22

Top Gun maverick is the perfect example of how to have a villain without alienating your content.

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u/SarcasticGamer Sep 02 '22

The bad guys don't even talk at all. It makes sense since Maverick and Rooster can't hear the enemy pilot in the end so the audience shouldn't either.

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u/merc08 Sep 02 '22

I thought it was pretty clear the enemy pilot was trying to signal "adjust to heading 330" and it's kinda ridiculous that Maverick and Rooster couldn't figure that out.

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u/cheung_kody Sep 02 '22

Thank God someone else got it

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u/I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY Sep 02 '22

Also how to use nostalgia well as compared to the last Jurassic World

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u/shartoberfest Sep 02 '22

You mean just throwing in old cast members without a coherent story and cg as an obvious cash grab isn't the answer?

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u/lazyparrot Sep 02 '22

That dinosaur franchise movie about giant locusts? Lol

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u/Never_Duplicated Sep 02 '22

It was damn near perfect for what it was going for. Most fun I’ve had at a theater in a long time.

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u/Marcusafrenz Sep 02 '22

Yeah I honestly can't remember the last time I watched a movie like that. It's gonna sound dumb but it just felt like a movie being a movie, awesome effects, sound, scenery. Yes it had cliches but it was just done so casually, so matter of fact and in theme that it didn't even feel out of place.

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u/Bedazzled_Buttholes Sep 02 '22

Not dumb at all, you're spot on. It was a fun movie because that's what it aimed to be

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u/champagne_pants Sep 02 '22

It wasn’t trying to reinvent film. It was exactly what it was supposed to be. 100% loved it.

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u/Carefreeme Sep 02 '22

Same. It's a movie I'll watch again just like the first one. I'm not going lie though...I thought it was going to be shit cash grab movie when the first announced it.

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u/Molerat619 Sep 02 '22

Can people really blame you? In a world of remakes and shit 20-30 year sequels, TGM is the only movie I know of that isn’t a nostalgic cash grab

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u/Carefreeme Sep 02 '22

It had the perfect amount of nostalgic to it. The beginning started off new and exciting and then they sprinkled it just enough through the rest of the movie.

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u/Macattack224 Sep 02 '22

Its also technically spectacular. Real planes and all. CG can be fine but wow is that footage pop.

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u/Happy-Campaign5586 Sep 02 '22

Years from now ppl will watch Top Gun & Top Gun Maverick back to back. It worked well despite the years between films

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u/TheCollective01 Sep 02 '22

It's possible that TG Maverick might've made the original better in retrospect, it's a rare sequel that has that quality. I'd honestly put it up there with Terminator 2 and Mad Max: Fury Road as near flawless action sequels.

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u/ZippyDan Sep 02 '22

Blade Runner: 2049, though it's not action per se.

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u/Dukayn Sep 02 '22

They're doing a double feature for Father's Day here in Australia, and they've had a double feature run a few weeks ago too.

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u/Blackadder288 Sep 02 '22

I thought that was honestly a great thing to do. I figured based on where it looked like they were flying, the baddies were meant to be Iran (and the fact they still have F14s). But not mentioning the nationality didn’t negatively affect the film imo.

Another film that does this, even though you know who the enemy is, is Dunkirk. They always refer to the Nazis as “the enemy”. And they are completely faceless in the film. You never see them except gunshots from off screen or in a warplane (except for the last scene, but even then, they’re out of focus).

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u/torgofjungle Sep 02 '22

They didn’t need to, secret nuclear program, operates F-14’s.

Iran is literally the only option.

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u/Bikouchu Sep 02 '22

F14 > Su57 fifth gen fighter. Ez.

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u/dasruski Sep 02 '22

That movie seemed like it ripped off every Ace Combat trope and set piece.

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u/Bikouchu Sep 02 '22

Ace Combat dlc 😂

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u/SeanC84 Sep 02 '22

The only set pieces they missed were flying through a tunnel and fighting a giant airship or spacecraft while it shot lasers at them.

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u/IsolatedHammer Sep 02 '22

spacecraft shooting lasers? Man I need to actually play Ace Combat 7!

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u/dasruski Sep 02 '22

Sadly it isn't nearly as crazy as 5 or Zero.

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u/SeanC84 Sep 02 '22

5 was my introduction to the franchise and it was absolutely insane. I really hope it gets a remaster or a remake at some point.

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u/SeanC84 Sep 02 '22

AC7 has a giant airship, the spacecraft is in AC5.

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u/BeckwithLBP Sep 02 '22

Is it too much to ask that I wanted Top Gun to spout sudo-philosophical dialogue about the futile nature of man's desire to separate each other through arbitrary borders while shooting each other with jet lasers? I feel that was the missing piece to Miles Teller's story arc.

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u/BraveFencerMusashi Sep 02 '22

Maverick dies but his brain is used to create an artificial intelligence. Rooster, Hangman, and Phoenix are the only ones that can beat it after it goes rogue.

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u/5213 Sep 02 '22

Top gun: ace combat

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u/Silv3rS0und Sep 02 '22

ONE MILLION LIVES!

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u/acdcfanbill Sep 02 '22

The original didn't really say either.

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u/PokemonTrainerSerena Sep 02 '22

Doesn't the original do the same thing too?

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u/Penakoto Sep 02 '22

A cold war era movie where the enemy jets are MIGs, obviously the enemy was the french.

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u/xBIGREDDx Sep 02 '22

Apparently in early script drafts it was North Korea but they moved it to the Indian Ocean so they could have everyone be sweaty in the boat scenes.

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u/grannyJuiced Sep 02 '22

Mmmm to be a sweat rag on that carrier 💦

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u/spongish Sep 02 '22

I always just assumed it was supposed to be Iran.

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u/Clickclickdoh Sep 02 '22

You say that, but the movie specifically states that the MIGs are carrying Exocet missiles, so they aren't Soviet. They are from any number of non-soviet states that had MIGs... which was more than 60 nations to choose from.

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u/Pixeleyes Sep 02 '22

Yes, it seemed like a deliberate effort to make the movie not about politics, regional conflicts, history or ongoing events of any kind and instead, about the characters themselves.

That said, the enemy was very obviously the Soviet Union.

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u/King_Buliwyf Sep 02 '22

Pretty sure it was Canada.

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u/previously_on_earth Sep 02 '22

I don’t understand why people have a hard time with this, it’s Iran, it pretty much spell it out if not say it out.

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u/HerniatedHernia Sep 02 '22

The whole ‘uranium enrichment facility’ angle kinda gave it away.

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u/Azrael11 Sep 02 '22

That plus the F-14, they're the only ones still using it.

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u/Brownt0wn_ Sep 02 '22

That plus the F-14, they’re the only ones still using it.

Why do you expect the common person to know this factoid?

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u/CTeam19 Sep 02 '22

You don't keep track of which country has which fighter jet as its primary fighter jet? Fucking casual. /s

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u/Kozak170 Sep 02 '22

I also vaguely knew this at least enough to recognize it when mentioned in the movie.

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u/dead_monster Sep 02 '22

It’s a mashup of Iran and Russia.

Iran doesn’t have Goas (the SAM) or Su-57s. The only country that possess both is Russia.

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u/Steve_at_Werk Sep 02 '22

They never say who the baddies are in the first one too; but, it's pretty clear that it's the USSR.

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u/U-235 Sep 02 '22

Isn't the first one literally based on actual events that took place off the coast of Libya in the mid 80s?

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u/MyWholeTeamsDead Sep 02 '22

And the second is based on the Israeli strike on Iraq.

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u/AgrajagTheProlonged Sep 02 '22

Although it might help to have the bad guy be someone that makes sense. There's no scenario I can imagine where North Korea could plausibly occupy any part of the continental United States for any significant amount of time

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u/endmatter Sep 02 '22 Take My Energy

Should have been Canada. They finally snap over "This video not available in your region" and invade so they can watch allll the shows and videos !

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u/linuxhanja Sep 02 '22

It doesnt make sense anyway, even if it were china. Supply supply supply.

If we are going to believe the forward troops have to "live off the land" than NK makes more sense in a way, because nk has a huge standing army, that already has to fend for itself domestically. The soldiers have lots of farming & shepherding skills. Of course that would require a wormhole gate or something they can just walk thru. Because NK isnt transporting anyone, anywhere in large numbers. China couldnt do it, either tho, theyd be much better at it. Their army isnt much larger. You know what? Maybe from now on ill imagine china got NK to join and china took the big cities and put the NK command in charge of pennsyltucky places. That actually is both funny and makes the film even better.

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u/TheCommodore93 Sep 02 '22

Honestly yeah China using NK troops as shock troopers with minimal Chinese support makes more sense

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u/FX114 Sep 02 '22

Well, the logic wasn't about whether people would choose to view it because of the bad guy, but whether they'd be able to release it in China.

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u/Slightly-Drunk Sep 02 '22

The real bad guy was Josh Peck. Such a weird casting selection for the movie.

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u/Xygnux Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

Except the country which you cast as the bad guy. Their government will be the one picking which movie to show in their cinemas.

Hollywood in the past 10 years was all about not stepping on their toes in order to get that fat fat box office.

Recently that strategy might have stopped working, now that that country just doesn't want Hollywood sneaking Westerners' ideas in, and tends to ban a lot more films.

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u/TomTomMan93 Sep 02 '22

Yeah I was going to say that 2012 doesn't feel like it was the peak for Hollywood doing this, I'd probably argue that the peak was in the later 2010s. The Star Wars debacle with cutting down John Boyega and really the entire Mulan movie. I'd say the didn't quite work and the gov starting to get hesitant about western ideas kind of killed the profitability.

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u/tdogg241 Sep 02 '22

And literally nobody was clamoring for a remake of Red Dawn.

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u/p8ntslinger Sep 02 '22

it could have been awesome. But it wasn't. It was trash.

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u/wilmyersmvp Sep 02 '22

I was stoked when I heard they were making a new one. Then they laid that turd on it and I was so let down.

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u/KnightlyNews Sep 02 '22

If your going to make a nostalgia movie, don't do the one movie with nothing but future Hollywood stars, unless you have half a dozen future Hollywood stars ready to go.

And the original was about, heartbreak, terror, dad issues, teen angst and camping.

I doubt Hollywood knows what those are anymore.

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u/Cultist902 Sep 02 '22

Yes it was. And Josh Peck couldn’t act his way out of a paper bag

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u/MidichlorianAddict Sep 02 '22

Yes, but he managed to act his way into a Christopher Nolan movie

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u/eolson3 Sep 02 '22

The guy looks so much like Fred Geynne. He's out there trying to be a badass soldier guy and I just see a young Herman Munster.

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u/Havoc2077 Sep 02 '22

The movie flopped because it was an unwanted remake that was just really bad.

Its not a very good movie. It doesnt even have any hype moments to it that might make it a fun watch for casual audiences who wouldnt care about specifics with writing quality and the like.

Its just bad all around, not just because the badguys were nonsensical.

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u/Jakerod_The_Wolf Sep 02 '22

There is one moment in the movie that I give them credit for because I didn't see it coming.

That is when Jed gets shot and killed while they were celebrating.

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u/backwoodsofcanada Sep 02 '22

Dude that blindsided me and was actually a really surprising and memorable moment, one of the few scenes I actually remember but it would stand out to me if someone ever asked me what movie death I found the most shocking.

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u/Celerial Sep 02 '22

It was gutsy and could have worked. The problem was the movie was lacking charismatic characters and Peck as the secondary protagonist was terrible. That makes the repercussions of your blacked out text a little problematic.

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u/JERUSALEMFIGHTER63 Sep 02 '22

Much love for josh peck, but when it comes to serious roles, man just can not pull it off.

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u/drewster23 Sep 02 '22

I saw thus movie again not long ago and I for life of me csnf remember this lol.

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u/InnocentTailor Sep 02 '22

Red Dawn was a flash-in-the-pan sort of movie - the kind of production that only works well with the backdrop of the Cold War.

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u/XuX24 Sep 02 '22

It's also really hard to believe that in modern times you could invade in a flash. Something that back in the original setting was a possibility.

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u/Itchy_Ad_3659 Sep 02 '22

Especially North Korea. About as believable as America getting invaded by Luxembourg.

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u/Forest-Ferda-Trees Sep 02 '22

I mean if anything Luxembourg is more capable of invading in a flash. Their military has about a thousand soldiers. They could fit on four 767s

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u/Itchy_Ad_3659 Sep 02 '22

I read somewhere that switzerland accidentally invaded Luxembourg once while on exercise maneuvers. They just took the wrong road a few miles and got lost.

After they got back the embassy called them and patiently explained that they accidentally crossed the border, so there’s no hard feelings… but yeah plz don’t do that again or at least call first.

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u/leafytim Sep 02 '22

You're thinking of Liechtenstein, the even smaller country that's on the border of Switzerland.

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u/Tom_Brokaw_is_a_Punk Sep 02 '22

"Possibility" is really stretching it. The 80s weren't that long ago. We still had satellites and radars and shit. A surprise invasion of Colorado was pretty ridiculous, even in the 80s.

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u/Havoc2077 Sep 02 '22

Pretty much. Its an entertaining movie within the context of the world at that time.

Remaking it in the 2010s was a mistake. You'd probably be more successful now by remaking it with Russia or China as the badguys than you would have in the 2010s due to fears over Ukraine, Taiwan, etc. But also probably more controversial so you wont see a studio do it anyway.

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u/Spram2 Sep 02 '22

Just remake it as "Americans do something that pisses off the entire world" and then it's USA vs Everyone Else.

For better results, never mention what the Americans did to piss everyone off and just call it "that thing that happened".

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u/mahwaha123 Sep 02 '22

As silly as it sounds, I always thought that the plot of that Call of Duty game where Russia invades would actually make for a pretty decent movie: A CIA agent goes undercover in a terrorist cell, takes part in a massacre to try to cement his cover, then dies in a way that makes it seem like the U.S. government itself was behind the massacre, causing Russia to invade as retaliation.

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u/XuX24 Sep 02 '22

The original MW saga could've been easily adopted into a TV or Movie and be pretty cool, taking some liberties obviously. Same BO1 and WaW had good stories.

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u/yazzy1233 Sep 02 '22

Have you watched Tomorrow When The War Began? It's a similar movie and it's really good imo

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

I loved it as a kid, but watching it recently it feels quite dated and cheesy in parts. And it’s quite a bit harder for my nitpicky brain to buy into the premise.

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u/Electroniclog Sep 01 '22

The original bad guys were the soviet union.

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u/PartyOnAlec Sep 01 '22

And Cuba

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u/ToadOnPCP Sep 02 '22

And Nicaragua

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u/Alan_Smithee_ Sep 02 '22

Super believable.

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u/MadRonnie97 Sep 02 '22

To be fair they introduced it as an alternate reality in the beginning of the movie. The 1989 in the movie (I think that’s when it was set in) isn’t the 1989 of reality, but one that happened if the balance of power had shifted greatly in the favor of the Warsaw Pact. At least it had that going for it.

The original went to certain lengths to make the scenario semi-believable.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Sep 02 '22

The bullet points actually make for an interesting prequel potential.

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u/suredont Sep 02 '22

yeah, you could talk about the wheat harvest

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u/Johnykbr Sep 02 '22

Farmer: "Wheats not coming in so good this year. Oh well, at least it's not the end of the world."

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u/LigmaActual Sep 02 '22

Ah didn't remember this

I thought it just did a cold open into soviets parachuting into a highschool

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u/Janktronic Sep 02 '22

opening text of the 1989 Red Dawn film

It was 1984 not 1989, that's pretty big difference. The Berlin Wall fell in 1989. It was the beginning of the end of the Warsaw Pact.

I lived in a city with 2 major AFBs, one had B-52s flying out of it all continuously. This was a time when the US had nuclear bombers in the air 24/7.

In 1984 though the Soviets had been in Afghanistan for 5 years already. The events outlined at the beginning of the film were much more believable to the general public in 1984.

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u/hbrindis Sep 02 '22

Yeah, that's what I like about the original. At least they setup an escenario where it wasn't difficult to imagine the US being invaded. Was it realistic even for that era? Maybe not, but I like the very bleak escenarios that the 80's movies could create out of thin air, perhaps mostly because "nuclear anihilation" was in everybody's mind.

Besides I like the cast, almost everyone before they became uber-famous

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u/hagamablabla Sep 02 '22

Sometimes they go too far in the other direction though. I remember in Homefront: Revolution, they had to have the US fall way, way behind to put it at the same level as North Korea. It makes the setting feel jarring, because you have all this pro-American feeling from the rebels when even the oldest among them hadn't ever seen an America worth living in. Also, North Korea wasn't even communist anymore, it was a corporate state. It would have made more sense to just say South Korea invaded us.

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u/Traiklin Sep 02 '22

Yeah there was a lot that happened before the movie actually started but it was in text before it took off.

I only remember the Soviets strengthening Cuba and NATO or the UN had a major internal conflict which led to them dissolving and left countries open to invasion which the Soviets did before reaching America but the world was in WWIII as the movie picked up.

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u/LUNA_underUrsaMajor Sep 02 '22

In the movie China was on USAs side

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u/MadRonnie97 Sep 02 '22

Which would be pretty accurate for the 80s

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u/Darth_Nykal Sep 02 '22

I think they're talking about the original draft for the remake.

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u/Steeve_Perry Sep 02 '22

I was just telling a friend the other day that they must have originally intended for China to be the bad guy but switched it to kiss ass. Turns out I was right.

It doesn’t make any sense for North Korea to be doing land invasions in the US lmao

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u/Spiralife Sep 02 '22

Although, it doesn't really make sense for anyone to be doing a land invasion in the U.S. like, so much would have to change geopolitically for any nation to actually undertake that.

I'm talking like at least four minutes of expositional world-building.

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u/Jason_Giambis_Thong Sep 02 '22 'MURICA

“America’s oldest enemy!”

“The Russians?”

“No, before that.”

“The Germans?”

“Earlier than that!“

cut to a fleet of 1700s UK frigates getting bombed by F15s

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u/Karjalan Sep 02 '22

Clearly should have been Canada. No one would suspect a thing till it was too late.

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u/AleksStark Sep 02 '22

They still haven't

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u/Tulol Sep 02 '22

The new bad guys are Russia.

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u/BrilliantTarget Sep 02 '22

As it turns out they also suck at invading

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u/InnocentTailor Sep 02 '22

At least in Western fiction, the bad guys have always been Russian.

...or at least East European of some sort.

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u/EvergreenEnfields Sep 02 '22

There was certainly an era of that, but there's also been the German villain era, the IRA era, and the Middle East era.

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u/RIP_Greedo Sep 02 '22

Why is there an article about this decade old turkey?

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u/-PM_Me_Dat_Ass_Girl- Sep 02 '22

Well, first and foremost, this movie failed because it was awful.

That aside, I don't know why they didn't just make this movie in a slightly alternate timeline where it's the present year, but the Soviet Union never collapsed and it's the world's premier military power invading the US on several fronts.

It would have kept up with the spirit of the original, at least.

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u/Stoly23 Sep 02 '22

In retrospect they could have made it plain old Russia looking at them now. Of course, the prospect of Russia successfully invading the US is utterly ridiculous but then again it’s only somewhat more so than the Soviet Union and North Korea being able to do so is even dumber. Also Call of Duty pulled it off and made it entertaining so I don’t see why not here.

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u/EPZO Sep 02 '22

Call of Duty did it and it was equally ridiculous because they invaded the US and Europe at the same time. The set pieces were nice but the story was off the rails.

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u/Ellemshaye Sep 02 '22

See, now why the hell don’t filmmakers browse Reddit for ideas?

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u/KingMario05 Sep 02 '22

Because then we get Space Jam 2. :(

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u/phoncible Sep 02 '22

They should've done Brady with football instead of trying to do basketball again.

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u/nostalgichero Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

So if we are proposing films... Please make an all-black ghostbusters set in a dilapidated Detroit starring Ray's edit Winston's grandkid or something

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

New Orleans. Waaaaay better location for haunted shit.

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u/garrettj100 Sep 02 '22

Ray’s a white guy. Played by Dan Akroyd. You want Winston Zeddmore’s grandkids.

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u/Gamergonemild Sep 02 '22

Look if theres a steady paycheck involved, you can call me whoever you want.

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u/Eskipony Sep 02 '22

Why didn't they make the movie in an alternate timeline where the Soviet Union posses hundreds of Zepplin bombers and mind control technology

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u/banana_spectacled Sep 02 '22

That’s ridiculous! Nobody would make a movie about that, let alone a hit sequel to an RTS game!

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u/NCEMTP Sep 02 '22

What's next? Time travelling political assassinations? Sentient war dolphins? Tesla coil tanks? Really gonna jump the death-LAZER shark with any of that!!!

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u/Sylvio_ Sep 02 '22

They lost me because I was supposed to believe Josh Peck is brothers with Thor

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Sep 02 '22

They shoulda done a Drake and Josh and made them stepbrothers

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u/Im__Ron__Burgundy Sep 02 '22

Let’s not tempt Dan Schneider with a good time

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u/Mammoth_Sort_118 Sep 02 '22

He agrees with you. There's a chapter in his autobiography Happy People Annoy Me dedicated to the Red Dawn remake bomb where he expresses this. He felt like he had to get all alpha macho for the role and goes on about what a stink fest his acting created by trying too hard to be a badass.

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u/TheElegantBouffalant Sep 02 '22

He said the same thing when he was casted 😭

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

It failed because it was shit.

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u/Assadistpig123 Sep 02 '22

I liked how they stopped the movie to have a literal subway commercial in the middle of it

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u/TeamShonuff Sep 02 '22

Red Dawn had me completely fooled about how fast an RPG travels.

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u/DeezSaltyNuts69 Sep 01 '22

It flopped because it was a completely stupid idea

Neither China or North Korea would be capable of US invasion

Red Dawn was cold war period peace, without using the Soviet Union it just doesn't work

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u/HawlSera Sep 02 '22

I remember there was this game called Homefront that was basically laughed at when it was launched, because the storyline is that you are a part of a revolution trying to take the country back after it's dominated overnight by North korea.

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u/crimsonjava Sep 02 '22

sidenote: Homefront was written by John Milius, writer-director of the original Red Dawn as well as Apocalypse Now and Conan the Barbarian.

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u/bayonettaisonsteam Sep 02 '22

Actually it wasn't. IIRC, that was only in the marketing to generate buzz (not that it mattered since the game flopped). He was only a consultant at best. The story was actually written by CJ Kershner

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u/FUMFVR Sep 02 '22

He was best in The Big Lebowski

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u/Jakerod_The_Wolf Sep 02 '22

The guy who wrote the original Red Dawn was a consultant on that. And in the Homefront story, there are a lot of alternate history events like the peaceful unification of Korea, Japan falling to Korea, and a bird flu pandemic in the United States that kills as many Americans as COVID did people in the entire world. Still isn't that plausable but it wasn't like it was the Korea we know now a days it's a Korean Empire that's taken a significant portion of Asia.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Safe131 Sep 02 '22

If I remember correctly NK uses a satellite to carry a nuke over the US and uses it as a massive EMP. NK then moves in, not as an invading army, but under the guise of foreign relief.

I want to say the NK left the US to fall to chaos first. Which made it easier to take control.

Along with other alternate history stuff, they at least tried to make it believable. The NK in our world and the NK in Homefront are completely different.

Honestly should have made up a country. Not entirely sure why that’s just never an option.

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u/HawlSera Sep 02 '22

It was far more common in the 60's to the 80's, Pottselvania, Latveria, Carbombia, etc.

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u/DeezSaltyNuts69 Sep 02 '22

People don’t realize what a sorry state NK is in these days , they’re not even much of a threat of invading the south let alone lead the peninsula

Which is why the current jonger in charge has been open to talks with the south

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u/raptorboi Sep 02 '22

Homefront was an interesting game, and looked pretty cool. The developers definitely did well on the setting.

The single player campaign was incredibly short (6-8 hours), and looks to have put a lot of effort into its multiplayer component. The story is quite pro-USA obviously.

The second Homefront plays more like FarCry with taking outposts, upgrading gear, new gear etc and map control, and USA NPCs will become more aggressive as you take more of the map. There is a lot of shouting of "USA! USA! USA!" from NPCs as you progress.

It is a little too 'patriotic' for an Australian, but an OK game.

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u/LTS55 Sep 02 '22

Homefront 2 at least is a visually stunning game. They made full use of the Cryengine.

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u/cptki112noobs Sep 02 '22

Homefront 2 straight up ignores the story from Homefront 1 as it's set in a different timeline.

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u/shed1 Sep 02 '22

In the original, the Soviets were aided by Cuba (lol) and Nicaragua (double lols), and they invaded Calumet, Colorado (triple lolz), so the original wasn't exactly based in reality either.

But yeah, the remake had no chance regardless of the opposition. The original was a real period piece in at least a couple of different ways.

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u/MitsyEyedMourning Sep 02 '22 Bravo!

In the original the Soviets attacked, then aided by south American forces. First wave was Russian Spec to disable most of the plains silo areas along with some select nuke use. From there forces already planted in Texas and CA caused disruptions up into OK and AZ leaving southern border soft for more waiting Nicaraguan/Cuban forces. They ran straight up into Cheyenne (stabs stick into fire) 60 divisions of Russians came through the Bering afterwards. Plus Europe pussed out on us with only UK standing up.

I watched this movie so much when it first came out on video, the details are burned into memory.

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u/bing_crosby Sep 02 '22

And people say Red Dawn wasn’t high art smh

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u/sammythemc Sep 02 '22

It's legitimately better than it's given credit for in that way that reactionary Cold War movies can be.

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u/TheNotSoGreatPumpkin Sep 02 '22

Didn’t the Soviets take over like half the US with their advance halted in CO by a ragtag group of all American brats and their friend Powers Booth? I seem to recall some crap like that.

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u/shed1 Sep 02 '22

Fun Fact: Lea Thompson only wanted to do the movie because there was a fairly explicit love story with Powers Boothe's character that didn't make it into the final cut.

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u/novavegasxiii Sep 02 '22

To be fair they didn't stop the Soviet advance; they just annoyed their rear troops and harassed their supply lines. I think that is plausible.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Safe131 Sep 02 '22

Not exactly. The main characters were certainly a problem, but there were actual military conflicts between Soviets and the US.

The war doesn’t even end until months after the ragtag team disbands. They were more of a pain in the ass then any serious threat.

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u/MrGulo-gulo Sep 02 '22

Nazi Germany gave up their plans to invade Britain because it was too logistically difficult. And that was just the English channel. An amphibious invasion through the Pacific would be so logistically challenging you probably would need a decade to prepare and then you would need to time it with nuking the US first.

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u/ImpossibleParfait Sep 02 '22

They gave it up because England fucked up the Luftwaffe. You cant land troops on a beach unless your have air superiority. In fact, id argue that you can't win a modern war without air superiority. The US in the Pacific unleashed fury on the Japanese held islands, sometimes for weeks and even then were still a lot massacres for the landing forces.

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u/WskyRcks Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

From what I’ve read about it they (the Chinese) could attempt (keyword- attempt) a west coast landing, but they’d have to land in deep water ports (to handle offloading heavy artillery) which there are only a handful of, and the US already knows this, so they positioned major military bases right near them. This all after getting across the Pacific Ocean unseen, which would be a historic thing to hide. To have any chance at all theyd need the help of an additional major source like Russia, as well as get assistance and free passage from either Mexico or Canada. Geography is a large part of destiny, and our geography is pretty darn good.

I think they’ll stick to the long game of sending us fentanyl and crappy toxic plastic toys and causing economic havoc (and their own housing market).

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u/eolson3 Sep 02 '22

They'll just build a tunnel through the Earth. President Shredder and General Krang have the plan drawn up already.

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u/boredinbiloxi Sep 02 '22

Even if China gets Shredder (very unlikely since he's Japanese) and Krang on their side, they won't get Bebop, and they won't get Rocksteady. Those two will take issue with the amount of pork and rhino horn China consumes.

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u/FILTHBOT4000 Sep 02 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

and our geography is pretty darn good.

Best in the world, actually, and it's not particularly close, which is why it's somewhat comical that we have such an insane military budget. We're sandwiched by allies and protected by mountain ranges on both coasts; aside from the monumental task of occupying the west coast to unload heavy military equipment, you'd then have to cross the Rockies to get to the heartland, or be funneled through the desert. Even if you performed that second miracle, as the quote goes, "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." All of Asia, including Russia and India, would have to team up to have a .01% chance of success, and even that would require convincing Mexico or Canada to join their side and us not doing anything about it, which is even less likely to begin with.

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u/WriterV Sep 02 '22

which is why it's somewhat comical that we have such an insane military budget.

The military isn't for defending the mainland, or even any overseas territories. It's for projecting power, which the US government wants to do because they want to maintain a position of global influence. It's why the US military runs and operates bases all over the world and sends their armies, air force and navy to win any battle that could benefit American interests on the global stage, be it political, commercial or any other reason that can be justified for it.

Granted defending the mainland has ever been a focus of the military, it's just not as much in focus as projecting American power globally.

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u/[deleted] Sep 02 '22

In the original version it was the Russians and like 5 Cubans.

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u/PhillySpecial2424 Sep 02 '22

I mean...the original used Russians. I think we could have just kept using Russians haha.

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u/MulciberTenebras Sep 02 '22

Except we've learned now they can't even successfully invade Ukraine. We're suppose to buy them being able to attack and occupy American soil?

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u/PhillySpecial2424 Sep 02 '22

Exactly, so them losing to a high school makes sense.

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u/Thisissomeshit2 Sep 02 '22

So North Korea? A poor dictatorship is a good stand-in? They probably don’t even have enough gas to bus that many people over.

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u/sauce07 Sep 01 '22

They didn't change it for that movie, they changed it for every movie they planned to release going forward.

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u/DemIce Sep 02 '22
  1. The title is factually incorrect
  2. Absolutely nobody agrees with the premise of the title
  3. This is lazy af "hey, what came out 10 years ago? let's write about that!" writing

2.8k score

never change, reddit

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u/jacksonattack Sep 02 '22

Uh what? Pretty sure we haven’t seen the height of Hollywood appeasing China, seeing as how there’s been countless examples of it getting progressively worse over the last decade.

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u/UrUnclesTrouserSnake Sep 02 '22

Wasn't China fighting along side the US against the USSR in the original Red Dawn? Pretty sure the pilot that joins the Wolverines told them China lost about half of their entire population fighting Russia.

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u/hirethestache Sep 02 '22

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