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We didn't deserve Whole Cake Island Discussion

Do you remember the time people were so hyped for wano after dressrosa, and oda just randomly shat out the best arc he's written in 10 years that subverted his usual arc structure, introduced 85 great character designs, made bege of all people a fan favourite and had a villain who was arguably more noble than Luffy?

Hopefully the same thing happens instead of Elbaf.

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u/CaptainWatermellon Sep 01 '22

the scene where luffy and bege met in bege's castle to make the alliance was so insane with the whole mafia theme and we got that scene with everyone at the table

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u/Spank-Those-Hams Sep 01 '22

The best part was that Luffy still had 2 hats in the Katakuri fight.

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u/smallpawslongmeat Sep 02 '22

brook clutching up stealing the poneglyph

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u/Reading_Lover_4208 Sep 01 '22

That was a goated panal man

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u/An_Hell Sep 01 '22

we even got the "Gangster" Gastino

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u/CaptainWatermellon Sep 01 '22

we didn't deserve gangster gastino tbh, cesar in general was such a funny character i love him so much, wish he would've become a friend of the crew somehow so bad

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u/prism1234 Sep 01 '22

He's a funny character for sure, but if you think about his actions more than just a little he experimented on a bunch of children and basically tortured them, which is super messed up.

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u/FoxyD_Pirate305 Pirate Sep 01 '22

The emperor from Star Wars was probably worse, but we still love him because, damn, if he’s not a good character.

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u/krossoverking Pirate Sep 01 '22

We didn't want him riding on the millennium falcon, though, lol. You'd have to do something like what happened with Lord Genome in TTGL to have any kind of "redemption" for Caesar.

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u/FoxyD_Pirate305 Pirate Sep 01 '22

Are you saying we should have Caesar’s disembodied head pilot the Sunny? I love it.

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u/krossoverking Pirate Sep 01 '22

Yes, i believe I am saying that. And then we need him to be revived with a big muscular body so he can sacrifice himself against the Im/Blackbeard hybrid.

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u/Want_a_good_name Sep 01 '22

Clown is great fun, but I think it's a great choice to use him in small amounts by Oda to make the jokes hit better

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u/Kilahti Sep 01 '22

Caesar is too evil to be a close ally of the Strawhats. Even the morally ambigious allies like Bege have some good sides at least and have been shown only targeting other villains/pirates.

Caesar betrays and tries to murder his own troops. He tortures kids with his inventions and is shown ready to have them die for the sake of his experiments.

Much like Sir Crocodile, having someone like that ally with the heroes of the manga every now and then when there are outside forces that force it to happen, but even though Luffy and his gang are pirates and have even robbed people, having them ally with folks like Caesar routinely, is a bit too much.

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u/Dragomatic Sep 01 '22

I was weirdly giddy at the fact that Bege has a family, and that he clearly cares about them. Honestly he's one of my favorites of the Supernovas, and loved every panel of him in Whole Cake

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 02 '22

Bege's mafia family was unexpected, but I love it, having grown up in a family obsessed with The Godfather movies.

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u/Not_an_okama Sep 01 '22

Agreed, I like the character but he did too much messed up stuff to be a direct ally. I’m hoping that he joins germa 66 and they become second tier Allies. I mean that in the sense that the grand fleet are t1 allies while places like drum kingdom and alabasta are everything but directly allied with the crew.

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u/Want_a_good_name Sep 01 '22

The idea of him joining Germa and becoming a tier2 ally is really clever! I think both Germa and Cesar has to much potential to just be forgotten from the story also so I really like this idea!

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u/Norodrom Bounty Hunter Sep 01 '22

He's a perfect match for Germa, with their common "ruthless science" theme

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u/draculas-shaggyballs Sep 01 '22

Dude experimented on children and shit. Not that Oda can't still make him a friend of the SHs, but probably won't to avoid controversy.

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 01 '22

I don't think Oda will ever do that. He's said Nami and Chopper would never forgive him for what he's done.

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u/An_Hell Sep 01 '22

they call him trash every opportunity they get

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u/Gamerguy_141297 Sep 01 '22

shudders at Boruto with Orochimaru

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u/vitaminar Sep 01 '22

When they said farewell and Caesar just stood there like "you guys not saying bye to me?", to me kinda felt that we will get more of him and SH in the future.

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u/PixelmancerGames Sep 01 '22

I love how they all hated him to the very end.

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u/vk136 Sep 01 '22

Also, caeser crying when nami (or someone else) calls him a bastard is hilarious too

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u/FatedTitan Sep 01 '22

Hard to do that with a guy who experimented on children.

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u/irux02 Sep 01 '22

One of the best panels

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u/CaptainWatermellon Sep 01 '22

when the narator started talking and the art style changed to a darker tone and saw everyone at the table you knew shit was about to go down it was so hype

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u/patudi Sep 01 '22

Nami in that red dress

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u/grifflrz Marine Sep 01 '22

The character design of Nami’s outfits were particularly inspired this arc

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u/QueenHistoria1990 Sep 01 '22

Yessss, one of my favorite outfits for her and she has some good ones. Nami was stunning in that

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u/nihilisthicc Sep 01 '22

You remember which chapter it’s in?

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u/BozMoo Sep 01 '22

Chapter 858

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u/Ayzkub3 Sep 01 '22

Dude, how is it 200 chapters ago already

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u/Bobbicito Sep 01 '22

Exactly too holy crap

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u/Strawbobzxc Sep 01 '22

"Are you Bege? "

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u/pluginsneak Sep 01 '22

the baby 👶 😂😂😂

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Sep 01 '22

Pez was the first baby I'd ever seen with a five o'clock shadow. 🤣🤣

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u/StrangerAtaru Sep 01 '22

It's Oda's version of Pubert from Addams Family Values.

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u/christianort476 God Usopp Sep 01 '22

I got more baby Herman vibes lol

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u/Carrot_that_fawks Pirate Sep 01 '22

Omaye bege ka?? Intense staredown...

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u/plade21 Pirate Sep 01 '22

Also in that same scene when he recognizes caesar. It was hilarious.

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u/praneshwar Citizen Sep 01 '22

Yo fam on top of that we met the legenday GANSTER GASTINO. LETS NOT FORGET THAT

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u/draculas-shaggyballs Sep 01 '22

Gangster Gastino is everything Condoriano is but better, and canon.

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u/KolorJam Sep 01 '22

The arc was hella unexpected. It’s the one arc to break the typical formula so it seemed off at the start for me, turned out to be a madness.

Brook operating on demon time made the arc for me…as well as Katakuri 😅

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u/AllysiaAius Sep 01 '22

Brook was so fucking 🔥 in that arc. I'm rewatching it e right now with my family and we just hit some of his best moments.

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u/obi3005 Sep 01 '22

Brook was the MVP of that arc, he took on Big Mom by himself and accomplished his goal

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u/Entity_not_found Sep 01 '22

Calling her young lady was a total Chad move

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u/purpleflamethis Lurker Sep 01 '22

Asking to see her pantisus was also funny as hell.

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u/Jolly_Method6266 Sep 01 '22

Brook doesn’t discriminate and I respect him for it lmao

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u/DoubleDoseDaddy Sep 01 '22

Literally the skeleton of giga-chad himself

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

And AND AND… she totally stole his line when talking to Kaido! 😂 best call back

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u/chaotic_laziness The Revolutionary Army Sep 01 '22

That is the best part!!

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u/allosson Sep 01 '22

Cap? What phrase did she said?

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u/CompetitiveConstant0 Sep 01 '22

"who makes their death a part of their plan." "Who plans their own death" or something along those lines.

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u/QueenHistoria1990 Sep 01 '22

And then he slept with her. Such a boss

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

”OH MY GOD HE RIPPED OFF HIS FACE?!!”

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u/Atreides007 Sep 01 '22

"What kind of fool plans to die" is still one of the hardest lines in the entire series.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 01 '22

The answer is Pedro.

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u/Atreides007 Sep 01 '22

Too soon bro.

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u/ngsm420 Pirate Sep 01 '22

Way too soon.

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u/datboiyemz Sep 01 '22

The "young lady, what kind of fool plans to die" makes it even more badass cos you realize that Brook has been doing this a long time

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u/Crafty_Appeal_4881 Sep 01 '22

But He is already death yohohohoho

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u/tehKrakken55 Sep 01 '22

"young lady"

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u/GodOfUrging Sep 01 '22

Brook going, yeah I'll take that MvP trophy while I'm here.

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u/schiffb558 Sep 01 '22

I know people were really on the fence about Brook since he joined the Straw Hats for not doing a whole lot.

This arc shut those people down. He truly is a straw hat now.

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u/AllMightStan Sep 01 '22

Honestly!! There’s no other way to describe the energy Brook was on during that arc, I loved him start to finish

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u/KolorJam Sep 01 '22

Brook was Joyboy to me that arc

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

I said this from the get-go

It was the year of Brook not Sanji. Mad-lad will never be disrespected again!

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u/trashtown_420 Sep 02 '22

Brook was a fucking MENACE on Whole Cake.

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u/Blizzard77 Sep 01 '22

WCI is in my top 3 arcs with Water 7 and Enies lobby. It was amazing, especially compared to the other post timeskip arcs

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u/SomaCreuz Sep 01 '22

Big Mom's backstory was by far the most sinister and unsettling thing in this series. It genuinely made me see her character in a different way.

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u/Every-Ad-2099 Sep 01 '22

What's special about Big Mom's backstory is that you get the feeling that other antagonists had a shot at being better people had they just chosen differently. With her, there was no shot at all - with all the users and abusers she was surrounded with, she was doomed from the start.

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u/DaHaLoJeDi Sep 01 '22

Now you've made me think of a timeline where BM got taken in and trained by the Marines and with her strength ended up becoming Admiral "Grandma" Linlin who treats all her Marines like a doting old grandmother and cooks them nice meals only to accidentally eat them herself every time

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u/Tengo-Sueno Pirate Sep 01 '22

A Grandma that cooks food to everyone, but also eat it before give it sounds totally like a quirky character trait that Oda would use for comedy

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u/Dorobo-Neko-Nami Pirate Sep 02 '22

Lmao I thought the other person meant “only to accidentally eat the marine herself every time”.

Eating the food makes more sense

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u/aiquoc Sep 02 '22

same lol. And I thought: "it is a quite dark quirky character trait".

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u/Walkingwithfishes Sep 01 '22

Tsuru in shambles

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u/HfUfH Sep 01 '22

only to accidentally eat them herself every time

bro, i though you were using them as a pronoun for a sec

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u/ChristosFarr Sep 01 '22

They were but the subject was meals, I also read it as marines though.

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u/SPS_Agent Sep 01 '22

And the marines let her eat recruits, purposely sending worthless new recruits from the Blues to keep her somewhat sated. Another dark secret the WG covers up to enable her strength to be used for them. I'm digging that what if.

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u/man_with_no_plan_ Sep 01 '22

No no, he meant that she eats the food she makes before she can give it...not the recruits

Like as a funny little character quirk

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u/SPS_Agent Sep 01 '22

I was taking it one step further, making my own what if off of what they said.

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u/man_with_no_plan_ Sep 01 '22

Ohh, I thought you'd just misinterpreted what the other guy said, cause I know I did at first

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u/deathbyglamor Pirate Sep 01 '22

Admiral Big Mom would be terrifying. Do you think she would still have had 85 kids ?

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u/deathbyglamor Pirate Sep 01 '22

I just saw it for the first time a couple weeks ago like she seriously ate her adopted siblings and mother figure! Then wondered what happened to them. Gee.

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u/Jake4XIII Sep 01 '22

Not to mention the music in the anime! Manga has better pacing but some of the music is actually on par with Disney villains

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u/assassin3939391 Sep 02 '22

Fr, BM’s theme is so perfect for her character with the playful/sinister nature

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u/IAreHasBigBrain Sep 01 '22

Sure but can we all agree that brook was mvp of that arc? He called big mom a young lady Slept with her Got the poneglyph copy And broke the mother carmel picture.

And probably something else

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u/idkWhat2WriteLMAO Sep 01 '22

he also asked big mom and that smoothie long leg commander to show their panties

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u/IAreHasBigBrain Sep 01 '22

OMG YESS I COMPLETELY FORGOT.

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u/_mid_night_ Sep 01 '22

Don't forget snatching Zeus

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u/IAreHasBigBrain Sep 01 '22

No way. he wasnt just the mvp he was the mega mvp

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u/never_lucky_eh Sep 02 '22

Isn't smoothie practically wearing out visibly lol

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u/CornBoy25 Sep 01 '22

Don’t forget that he also was the FIRST straw hat to fight 1v1 with a yonko, even before Luffy

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u/Jberz21 Sep 01 '22

Ive been saying WCI was amazing since I was reading it week to week. People at the time were complaining about the chase scene and how impatient they were to get to Wano.

The chase scene made sense. They were deep in Yonkou territory and it was supposed to be almost impossible to get back out.

Yes it had a few missteps but there were some truly phenomenal moments. In my top 5 arcs for sure.

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u/Medical_warrior Pirate Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 02 '22

Same thing happens every arc. People complain every week, but when the arc finishes they act like they have always considered it great.

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u/burningbarn8 Sep 02 '22

Yep. Post TS is as good as pre TS, the week to week grind of just 17 pages just leaves you with a worse impression than the ability to read the whole arc at your pace.

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u/Crazed_pillow Pirate Sep 01 '22

WAY better than Wano as a whole. Wano maybe had better moments in it's Arc, but Whole Cake Island tied itself together well and flowed expertly after Zou.

Wano started so strong, but Onigashima was really the turning point for better or worse.

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u/Apaulling8 Sep 01 '22

I was with you then. I'm an Oda believer. You have to be to read weekly for 10+ years. It's why despite all the criticisms I still loved Wano and it's instantly one of my favorite arcs of the whole series. Because like WCI and every other arc, Oda won't just leave it behind. He will use it to propel us into the next saga and conclusion of the series. And he will get more use and add more detail to flesh out all of the characters we left behind.

Also, considering Carrot was in both arcs, I hope people are prepared for her to not actually be gone without a goodbye to the crew. We will see Carrot in September, in either a quick flashback panel or as a stowaway.

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u/Hoshino_Ruby Chopper the Cotton Candy Lover Sep 01 '22

The arc felt so fresh because it wasn't forshadowed explicitely like Wano did.And also because a lot of the arc involves straw hats and just straw hats(and a bit of minks because they are kind of morphed with the gang)by a huge margin,it felt like I was rewatching Grand line(paradise) as a good chunk of Dressrosa was moved by side characters.And Bege,Pudding,Katakuri,Pound,I love these guys to death.

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u/2Maverick Pirate Sep 01 '22

Werd. I freaking loved Whole Cake Island. It was such a treat getting introduced to Sanji's lore and the Big Mom crew.

Also, Luffy vs Katakuri was honestly the best fight Luffy's had in the entire series (for me personally). Then Lucci.

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u/goingmerry604 Sep 01 '22

The power ranger stuff was the stuff of dreams my 10 year old self would run home from school to watch

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u/HogarthTheMerciless Sep 01 '22

You and Law both

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u/mikytrex The Revolutionary Army Sep 01 '22

Black Bug has to be one of my favorite attacks from the whole One Piece.

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

My eyes were sparking more than ichiji’s!

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u/hinokami275 Sep 01 '22

Whole cake island is my favorite one piece arc. The Sanji character development. Germa power rangers. Big mom just being Big Mom. The scene with Luffy and Sanji. Katakuri just being Katakuri. Advanced observation haki. Brook being a absolute unit that arc. Jimbei telling Big Mom off. Beige just being Beige. Then gear 4 snake man at the end fucking crazy. I stood up in my couch for the end off Luffy vs Katakuri. Oda was DEEP in his bag that whole arc

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u/StrawHatJD Void Month Survivor Sep 01 '22

It’s weird because people shit on the post-timeskip era but WCI is easily a top 5 arcs in the entire series if not top 3

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u/Stasky-X Sep 01 '22

The only complaint I have about post-timeskip is how dragged on the anime is. The story is great but anime makes it unwatchable for me. Thankfully One Pace exists so eventually I'll watch it all.

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u/NintenZura Sep 01 '22

The added Disney-like songs for Big Mom were a great idea

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u/ngsm420 Pirate Sep 01 '22

People shit because they're people.
the fandom complained with Skypiea and Thriller bark. During WCI people were complaining non stop because they wanted Wano, and after Wano people complained because Wano didn't cover everything they wanted :(

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u/EIIander Sep 01 '22

Thriller Bark…. I hate the theme of zombies but love everything else. It’s odd I hated it at first… but then once Brook reappears and saves the day I was all in.

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u/BearNakedTendies Void Month Survivor Sep 01 '22

Thriller bark is goated too. Nightmare luffy, ryuma vs zoro, straw hat docking, franky skywalk, we find out that OARS is a thing??KUMA showing up (I thought the straw hats were toast), NOTHING HAPPENED??? Come on bro, nothing happened!!!

And we can’t forget luffy shoving that zombie back into the ground

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u/SS9424 Sep 01 '22

dressrosa is in my top 5 too

and people forget how insane zou was fucking lore dump after lore dump it took me a while to register all that

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u/Sunburnt-Vampire Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 01 '22

I think dressrosa suffers a bit in recognition because it's where the anime became an absolute slog. Not that the anime didn't have pacing issues prior but I swear they broke a flashback record on that one scene with one-leg soldier by the sakura tree...

So to anyone who watched the anime adaption of it, they'll likely think it was abysmally slow paced and generally awful.

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u/schiffb558 Sep 01 '22

I still really hate Doffy's family members because they don't stand out to me at all because we got thrown easily 100 new members with varying amounts of backstory to them.

Also the Viz translations gave the Tontattas the absolute worst accents in the series and it reads waaaay too much as pwecious buwwshit baby tawk and I absolutely despise them.

Yeah, I have a lot of issues with Dressrosa. One thing I do like about Wano is that, despite it being really long and suffering from similar bloat, is that they paced out character introductions better and gave them much more memorable designs and personalities. Compare Queen to say, Machvise. Night and day.

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u/LanceGD Sep 01 '22

Compare Queen to say, Machvise. Night and day.

That's hardly a fair comparison. Compare a Yonkou's Commander to a Warlord's officer? Compare Queen to Pika or Diamante. Compare Machvise to Who's Who or Sasaki if you want a true comparison.

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u/schiffb558 Sep 01 '22

Yeah that's what I meant to say. My point still stands, pica and Gladius and Diamante are actually really boring.

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u/SS9424 Sep 01 '22

i watched the anime but i just skipped the the flashbacks lol. that 10sec forward button is your best friend post timeskip

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u/yosoydorf Sep 01 '22

sure but Fishman / Punk Hazard / Dressrosa is definitely not a great stretch, lol.

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u/CrazyStar_ Sep 01 '22

Week by week, Dressrosa got a bad rep because it was so fucking looooong. I think it is the longest arc in the manga, especially considering that it was when Oda started to introduce regular breaks. But looking back at it well after the end, it actually was some great writing!

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u/zaafsta Sep 01 '22

Longest arc after Wano of course ☺️

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u/draculas-shaggyballs Sep 01 '22

Dressrosa got ruined by the final fight. The birdcage was unnecessarily long, and quite honestly, still makes Doflamingo look on par with if not better than Yonko 1st commanders.

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u/schiffb558 Sep 01 '22

I really do wish we had a scene of someone breaking one of the birdcage strings, just to show it could be cut.

Because that level of power just seemed way too absurd by that point in the story. It's almost implied that nothing can get through it, and that irks me.

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u/BrownieIsTrash Sep 01 '22

i feel like the bird cage makes no sense... how did doflamingo just create impenetrable strings that surrounded the entire island?? like how is nobody able to break them? seems like a plothole but maybe im wrong

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u/thatdudewhowrites Sep 01 '22

Idk, Doffy is an absolute beast, but gear 4th luffy literally clowns him. Great way to introduce Luffy's next tier of strength, but it did take so painfully loooong. I actually quit watching one piece after that until wci was done just so I wouldn't be stuck in another weekly slog

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u/tragicjohnson84 Sep 01 '22

I like PH a lot, simply for being the last arc where the Strawhat gang is all together and it's a very bare bones cast. A few side characters like Smoker, Tashigi, and Law and then a few villains. I also liked the beginning of trying to figure out what the hell was going on. You had a torso of a samurai, a dragon, weird animals, hot and cold land, etc.

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

Not my favorite but still interesting! Luffy suddenly getting knocked out was a shitstorm of a week

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u/Master3530 Sep 01 '22

I like how Caesar's powers allow him to knock out people much stronger than him. It allowed him to still be a proper villain while not causing a power creep right after FI.

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u/kanelel Sep 01 '22

It was a good arc, but the middle bit is kind of slow. There's a period where they're just running around the facility without a lot happening.

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u/tragicjohnson84 Sep 01 '22

Yeah, that happened in Dressrosa as well unfortunately.

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u/BlueberryGreen Sep 01 '22

The most experimental arc of OP and definitely in the top 3.

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u/Bucen Explorer Sep 01 '22

I loved whole cake throughout. I loved the beginning, I loved the middle, and I am a minority but I loved the end.

I just love that big mom was an undefeatable force of nature and ask they could do was run. And every cliffhanger was more insane than the last. Her jumping on the sunny was probably the most insane cliffhanger I ever encountered.

And I loved finding out which character is her child and I was constantly checking for updates on her family tree.

Not to mention Caesar clown and perospero, two of my favorite characters of all time. The tea party was insane. Brook is a god among men. Kidnapping brulee was hilarious, her backstory was surprisingly sad.

The only nitpick I have is the insane convenience that was happening all the time so that the strawhats didn't die. And I guess Sanji's backstory was a bit derivative, and I didn't really care too much. Also didn't like how Reiju was actually a good person trapped by genetic manipulation. Why can't she be as bad as the brothers?

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u/ManicRuvik Sep 01 '22

Reiju was the first experiment for genetically modified children. She came out with emotions. Her brothers were the perfected ones that had no emotions.

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u/lovesducks Sep 01 '22

Chopper going monster point on the Sunny as Mom is attacking them was so sick. He needs more moments like that.

"C'mon Big Mom! If nothing else I can at least drag you into the sea with me."

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u/DrChillChad Sep 01 '22

Isn’t the end the best part because it’s Luffy vs Katakuri?

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u/MadghastOfficial Sep 01 '22

I'm guessing they mean the chase

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u/Funko_monko World Government Sep 01 '22

wym Reiju is bad af 🤤

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u/bradd_91 Sep 01 '22

THANK YOU! Whole Cake is easily my favourite post-ts arc. Don't care about Big Mom but the Pudding twist was cool (I couldn't wait to see what she whispered to Luffy), Katakuri fight was great, the mafia scene was iconic, and I'm a Sanji stan so any arc where he gets a lot of attention, I'm all for.

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u/DSonla Sep 01 '22

You forgot : Luffy ready to starve for Sanji (what an emotional scene), Luffy clones ruining out the cake, Brook disguised as a Luffy clone breaking the framed photo, Brook single-handedly taking out homies, Brook stealing the poneglyph and acting so casual about it, Carrot's shulong form (first time we actually see a Shulong form), Sanji sitting on top of the table where his family is trapped in candy (what a panel), Jinbe choosing "Life" instead of cowering to Big mom.

What an arc !

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u/tragicjohnson84 Sep 01 '22

I loved it for a lot of reasons, but you really got to see Nami and Brooke shine and do alot during the arc.

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u/HexapusTapes Sep 01 '22

just finished WCI, the finale's probably the most feel good scene I've ever seen in the series so far. Like yeah no duh Sanji and Zeff would parallel each other but it's nice to see being portrayed so nicely

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u/ToTeMVG Void Month Survivor Sep 01 '22 edited Sep 01 '22

bege is honestly still one of my top faves since whole cake, kid whoo??? bege is where its at, honest bege is cool and his devil fruit is amazing and i have so many questions about it, like does he know haki? if he knows armament can he apply it to his soldiers bullets shooting from him?? does that hotel face guy from loguetown have a lesser version of bege's devil fruit??? I MUST KNOW

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u/Minh1403 Sep 01 '22

I also prefer Big Mom in this arc as a villain than Kaido. She’s evil, she’s twisted, but she has a “kinda good” intention, and she’s unpredictable. Her backstory supports her personality greatly. Such a shame that Oda turned her into a clown in Wano

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u/HogarthTheMerciless Sep 01 '22

Now that the arc is over can we all agree that Kaido was actually really disappointing? His backstory just didn't have anything interesting or emotional really. He just leaned on his power and didn't trust anybody who isn't strong because his kingdom sold him to the marines because of poverty. I guess that's a mildly interesting contrast to Whitebeard, who came from poverty and chose to help the poor and seek meaning in found family, but way less interesting than Big Mom's backstory and goal. His undoing is just that he was finally toppled by the real joy boy, not because of some lack of trust or only caring about power or anything thematic, just he was destined to lose to joy boy eventually.

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u/Im_regretting_this Sep 01 '22

To me, Kaido felt like a plot device and not a character. When all was said and done, I felt like Kaido was just a boss fight and good opportunity to reveal the Nika fruit. Remember when Kaido would try to kill himself by jumping from the sky islands? Was that ever explained? Maybe I missed something, but the best I can think of is he was just drunk and sad, but what a lame pay off for what was such an interesting introduction. In general, I thought the Wano arc was just a mess though. Easily one of my least favorite arcs/sagas.

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u/MadghastOfficial Sep 01 '22

I wanted him to be cool. I wanted to get to know his backstory and everything that made him the way he was, but he just wasn't anything. All I remember him doing is "thunder bagua", drinking, being a dragon, and "wororo". He was just a strength hurdle for the Straw Hats to overcome.

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u/Im_regretting_this Sep 01 '22

Yeah, that was basically him lol

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u/Sogeking33 Sep 01 '22

His backstory was 3 pages it didn’t do anything at all, it was a slideshow

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u/Ukantach Sep 01 '22

Whitebeard's flashbacks were like 3 panels before his death, but it showed much more of his character and how much a badass yet warm person he was. Oda could deliver stuffs like that in few panels, yet for Kaido it was just a slideshow like you said.

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u/Sogeking33 Sep 01 '22

Whitebeard also had multiple flashbacks before that

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u/Ukantach Sep 01 '22

Well I mean that was the flashback equipvalent to the one you mentioned. WB's other flashbacks before that were his interactions with other people, not his youth. Kaido also had multiple other flashbacks like that too.

But WB's few panels about how other wonder why he didn't want the treasure and how his dream was just having a family just explain so much. Like why he didn't seek OP eventhough he knew what it was, why he even became a great pirate, why he tried to save Ace and finally why he will face death so his children can escape.

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u/Defeat_your_past Sep 01 '22

Kaido could’ve been great, if Oda had given him a real backstory. 1-2 chapters really. I didn’t need to know all about the Rocks Pirates or for all the secrets to be revealed, just needed something to explain his actions and philosophy. As it stands Kaido is one of the most one dimensional in the series, which makes it frustrating that he and Luffy has this kinda friendly/rival type relationship

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u/Fries-Ericsson Sep 01 '22

She doesn’t really have a kinda good intention. If her intentions were good she wouldn’t force people to give up portions of their life to stay and or leave Tot Land

She’s incredibly controlling and spiteful even to her own children and only wants Toto land to live up to some fantasy fairy tail in her head to keep herself happy. Anything an inch out of place she destroys

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u/Schizof Sep 01 '22

you might notice that the "kinda good" is on quote

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u/tbrother33 Sep 01 '22

I think she definitely has/had good intentions, just he execution of what she wanted to do was terrible and horrific. That’s still doesn’t change the fact that creating a country “Where everyone can sit equally at the same table” is a noble goal.

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u/DaCosmicHoop Sep 01 '22

She has good intentions, but has the mind of a spoiled toddler.

She is the kind of person that will pour bleach in your food because you have a virus and she wants you to recover faster.

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u/Fries-Ericsson Sep 01 '22

She doesn’t though

She is intelligent enough to amass an entire empire and her beck and call, part of which is built on top of a robust intelligence gathering agency

She occasionally regresses into a toddler under great stress but most of the time she’s a dangerously competent adult

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u/Howard_NESter Sep 01 '22

I was thinking about this the other day why something like WCI had a larger impact on me than a "epic" arc like Wano, and I think the element of surprise has a lot to do with it. With other S-Tier arcs (Marineford, Water7/Enies Lobby, Alabasta) we didn't really know what was going to happen and then got our expectations blown away. WCI has that same element of surprise which I think heavily plays into its quality.

For what it's worth I'm feeling that element of surprise again as we start the final saga so hopefully, we have some S-Tier material coming soon.

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u/MrElliot1210 Sep 01 '22

Before I read this part I was like "Sanji is my favourite Straw Hat, but I don't really know why" but then after everything in this arc happened I was like "ohhhhhhhhh"

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u/Sansilres Explorer Sep 01 '22

I feel like people forget WCI wasn't warmly received either by the end of the arc.

Not saying it's a bad arc, because it isn't, but some people did hate how it ended as well, and it had a lot of criticisms too.

Skypiea as well. Ending was good, and it is now considered one of the most important arcs by some. But back in the day people actually actively pushed for others to skip it.

Time will only tell what each arc will be viewed as in the end. Not to say it's not valid to criticize Wano, because the arc does have issues. But even if I disliked the latter part of it, I'm not going to just let my resent feelings be the only way I judge the arc. Not to mention I need One Piece as a whole to end to understand the relevance the arc played to the overall story.

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u/BaconSynergies Sep 02 '22

Agreed. There were so many open plot threads. We are only now finding out what happened to Germa and ceaser.

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u/LaylaPriscilla Sep 01 '22

What is this?? Reasonable thinking? On this sub? Get out of here!

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

katakuri and sanji carried WCI

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u/Kusokuso69 Sep 01 '22

Sphinx island would be a cozy arc. Bakkin as the main antagonist, Luffy visiting Ace's grave, and the crew potentially finding the last road poneglyph.

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u/blahdash-758 Lurker Sep 01 '22

That arc really is amazing from start to the end.

Luffy went in it being a rookie and to rescue his shipmate.

Got out having beat 2 commanders of a yonkou, one of them happens to be a rare pirate with a awakened devil fruit and hold a deadly skill which just so happens to be freaking rare; and being recognised as 5th emperor of the sea.

The bad end musical theme at the end. Perfection.

Don't let even death stop you.

We will be ones who'll have the last laugh.

I'm man who wants to become member of the future pirate king's crew. A mere yonkou can't intimidate me.

Some of the greatest moments in the arc and the whole series to be honest.

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u/AllysiaAius Sep 01 '22

"What kind of a fool plans for his own death, young lady?"

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u/blahdash-758 Lurker Sep 01 '22

100%

"Why did he start listing sanji's good qualities?"

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u/gomugomupirate Sep 01 '22

This was good!

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u/Space_Monke64 Sep 01 '22

Without you, I can’t become king of the pirates

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u/melograno1234 Sep 01 '22

The best thing about that arc was unironically little Pez with its utterly adorable cigar pacifier. So cute!!!

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u/px1618 Sep 01 '22

Chad Brook asked Big Mom to show her panties 🗿

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u/Afraid_Technology520 Sep 01 '22

True Whole Cake Island was the best arc after time skip

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u/axsteel77 Marine Sep 01 '22

it’s so worth mentioning, that musical intro they gave Big Mom in the anime is probably one of my favorite scenes in the whole series. It’s so eerie and creepy, in an environment that’s supposed to be cheery and happy, and the lyrics are all about murder and killing. such a fantastic intro, truly fitting of an emperor of the sea.

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u/ElektrikDynomite Sep 01 '22

WCI easily best Time Skip arc, easily Top 10, maybe Top 5 arc in series

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u/ngsm420 Pirate Sep 01 '22

WCI was by far the hardest arc to predict, every week the story took a turn, or characters you thought you had them figured out became someone completely different. It was plot twist after plot twist. Masterpiece.

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u/PonchoHobo Sep 01 '22

It gave Sanji a character arc beyond simping which was long overdue. He’s still running on that arc with wano being a bit dull for him.

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u/mikytrex The Revolutionary Army Sep 01 '22

Wano being dull on Sanji? Woah, I think about his fight with Queen, almost becoming a monster and the whole new meaning he gave to "Hell Memories" after thinking about his family. I think Wano was great for Sanji.

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u/PonchoHobo Sep 01 '22

Dull might have been the wrong word but it was back to usual for sanji. Has a fight, struggles with an issue . Still fine but sanji from cake island was exceptional. He was broken and built up again. Reminded me of nami with Arlong park.

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u/IBizzyI Sep 01 '22

Yeah, Sanji was a surprise in Wano because he got better stuff than a lot of other characters. And that after "his" arc.

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u/Asian_Persuasion_1 Sep 01 '22

Whole Cake was a cool arc. It wasn't expected, and even the style of the arc was unique. It was a side mission with main mission level difficulty. So much so that the goal wasn't to win, it was to survive.

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u/Rankine Sep 01 '22

Also the main character conflict in the arc was centered around one of the main casts. This always makes the story much more compelling.

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u/Akidnamedkenny Sep 01 '22

I’ve been reading the chapters weekly for the last 2 years since I caught up to the anime. Whole cake is my favorite arc in one piece. Not the best, but my favorite. I was shocked when I found out manga readers hated it and felt cheated. I fucking loved it. So many good scenes in whole cake. I think people have too much time to sit with chapters. They analyze the shit of every chapter and hype themselves up. Then all of a sudden people are complaining about every little detail.

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u/Death_n_Tax Sep 01 '22

More noble? Can’t be talking about katakuri. Dudes a goat villain but the noble thing is way over played. 100% it’s the best arc post time skip though

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u/Romanpuss Sep 01 '22

CHARLOTTE FAMILY >>>>>> ANY OTHER OP CHARACTER DESIGN THERE I SAID IT 😤

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u/Tucker897 Sep 01 '22

It was a great arc for sure the bit that irritated me the most was big mom for like 12 episodes all she said was ‘wedding cake’ over and over and over again.

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u/zaafsta Sep 01 '22

Yep - a part that irked me was when Big Mom made a tidal wave at the end of a chapter during her rage and it was supposed to be seen as a cliffhanger but I was like.. really, all cos of a wedding cake? But other than the big mom wedding cake scenes, great arc

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u/LatinLibi Sep 01 '22

I took that kinda like when someone gets a very specific craving. Kinda like Harold and Kumar but instead of riding it out or trying to find the thing to soothe that itch, she went on a tantrum until she could get what she was craving.

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u/blackakainu Sep 01 '22

Yea wci was slept on, brook vs BM was hype

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u/Meatsberg Sep 01 '22

Whole cake was so good that oda burnt himself out and couldn't finish wano without rushing

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '22

Quite hilarious that whole cake a few years back was getting hate, when it was weekly, now it's getting praise I just know with wano it will be the same, you people never change

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u/njd1993 Pirate Sep 01 '22

Ehh, all 3 of these arcs people have been notably complaining about the things the entire arc, either on here or on forums. Same perspective post will come out for Wano too.

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u/Raonak Sep 01 '22

Yep. Dressrosa was shat on, WCI was shat on, Wano is being shat on.

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u/ovrlymm Sep 01 '22

Dressrossa was epic. WCI was just better. Wano was awesome too in an action way.

The whole goddamn thing is awesome and other authors would be jealous if they even did as well as thriller bark (which I LOVED but I know isn’t a fan favorite)

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u/Jabullanyo Sep 01 '22

Still my favorite arc post timeskip