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LPT: Avoid idolizing wealthy businesspeople you’ve never met. Most of them have PR teams and have far less kindness/ethics than the public image these businesspeople construct. Careers & Work

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u/threeoldbeigecamaros Sep 29 '22

Same goes for celebrities and influencers. In fact, it’s best not to idolize anyone

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u/Pretty_Eater Sep 29 '22

I think the culture around TV personalities has become so misguided. Particularly the term "Influencer".

Like yeah we idolized TV personalities growing up but a good actor inspired you to be a good actor, a good TV Chef inspired you to be a good TV Chef, etc. Etc.

We didn't look to these people for life advice or even education (Unless that was the point of the program), we took them at face value.....which is exactly what an actor is.....face value.

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u/Yrcrazypa Sep 30 '22

Socialites have always existed. Influencers are really just a new term for that sort of thing.

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u/RipMySoul Sep 30 '22

Huh I hadn't thought about it like that. You're completely right. I guess that old proverb of "the more things change the more they stay the same" is true.

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u/disinterested_a-hole Sep 29 '22

Tell that to your mom. She won't leave me alone.

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u/lemmata Sep 29 '22

what about Obi-wan Kenobi?

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u/threeoldbeigecamaros Sep 29 '22

The man spent the better part of 10 years hiding on Tatooine to avoid the Inquisitors. Then he was killed by his own student

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u/Putrid-Car-2896 Sep 30 '22

Killed? Nah he became one with the force

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u/PossibleBuffalo418 Sep 30 '22

Disney idolised him as a character so much that he wasn't even the main character in the show named after him 😂

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u/That_Flippin_Rooster Sep 30 '22

The man who committed war crimes?

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u/ThatDestinyKid Sep 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

here’s a better tip, avoid idolizing people. they’re just people

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u/PenPineappleApplePen Sep 29 '22

Admire the action, not the person.

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u/Gaflonzelschmerno Sep 29 '22

Nah man I'm gonna keep admiring Dolly Parton thanks

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u/hullor Sep 30 '22

Her and people like Mr.Rogers are legitimately good human beings. They give me hope in humanity, knowing some people are capable of pure/almost-pure goodness.

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u/Total-Ad4257 Sep 30 '22

Can I add Harry Mack to this list.

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u/ItsNotBrenda Sep 30 '22

I'm of the attitude that celebrities shouldn't be idolized, but I'd be lying if I didn't look up to Harry just a lil

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u/Synth_Ham Sep 30 '22

I got choked up at the Mr Rogers memorial in Pittsburgh when I visited last fall.

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u/Ismelkedanelk Sep 30 '22

People should form a new political party based on empathy and kindness and call it the Dolly Rogers party.

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u/beervendor1 Sep 30 '22

Maybe quit thinking we know what's in someone else's heart unless we KNOW them.

Except Keanu. He's good people.

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u/WhySpongebobWhy Sep 30 '22

I can tell you with confidence that Alan Rickman was Keanu Tier. Met him as an extra for a movie and he spoke with me while we were waiting for a scene to be reset for another take.

Miss that man.

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u/PhillAholic Sep 29 '22

Because her actions are all wholesome.

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u/reaver19 Sep 29 '22

Yeah people suck.

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u/iApprecateTheNudity Sep 29 '22 Helpful

People…what a bunch of bastards.

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u/tehpenguins Sep 29 '22

I'm disabled.

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u/slackjack2014 Sep 29 '22

A fire!? At a sea park!?

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u/MrRampager911 Sep 29 '22

A gay musical, called Gay. That's quite gay.

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u/SpiritualBar2469 Sep 29 '22

Aren't all musicals gay? This must be, like, the gayest musical ever made.

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u/BrandX3k Sep 29 '22

Not a very creative name especially if it was written by a Gay guy! Like maybe it could have been called, "Totally Ghey" like something, anything, thats not as boring!

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u/BlowMoreGlass Sep 29 '22

You're on the list!

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u/TheDeafDad Sep 29 '22

Still a bastard.

Oh wait, me too.

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u/harbourwall Sep 29 '22

Leg Disabled?

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u/disgruntledbeaver2 Sep 29 '22

Just a lonely loaner...

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u/ShitsWhenLaughing Sep 29 '22

She says I have an artistic soul

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u/Flounderfflam Sep 29 '22

They don't woooooork!

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u/Ihavemanybees Sep 29 '22

I love you.

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u/We_already_started Sep 29 '22

People are bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with a bastard filling.

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u/zxc123zxc123 Sep 29 '22

"I've told you, Bernard. Never place your trust in us. We're only human. Inevitably, we will disappoint you."

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u/Gambit791 Sep 30 '22

The maze wasn't meant for you

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u/improbably_me Sep 29 '22

Basically, overgrown stains of cum that happened to fall in the right place

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u/Elsrick Sep 29 '22

But with style

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u/feage7 Sep 29 '22

People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.

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u/live_wire_ Sep 29 '22

The irony of that line being written by one of the biggest bastards of them all.

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u/tosety Sep 30 '22

Humans are idiotic scumbags

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u/untouchable_0 Sep 29 '22

Idolize the capybara. They look like they have life figured out.

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u/SimplyTennessee Sep 29 '22

And sloths. Armadillos seem cool too. And I just read about a bang shrimp (¿ think that's what they're called. On front page.) Insert virtually another animal and I think I like them more than humans.

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u/spazzy2k Sep 29 '22

Pistol shrimp. Bang bang shrimp got stuck in your head somewhere haha

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u/HerpankerTheHardman Sep 29 '22

Its so 3rd person the way we talk about our humanity sometimes. Its as if we're lizard people or something.

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u/MysterVaper Sep 29 '22

except Keanu, he’s good peeps.

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u/reaver19 Sep 30 '22

Yeah Keanu is a genuinely good person.

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u/Educational-Row4301 Sep 29 '22

Hell is other people

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u/TreeChangeMe Sep 29 '22

These guys steal your lunch money and blame the nerd for doing it.

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u/Keeshkuush Sep 29 '22

except my dad, he's the best.

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u/Skysalter Sep 29 '22

I hear he has a great PR team

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u/egoissuffering Sep 29 '22

Except Mr. Rogers. He left the world better than he found it and did not have any skeletons in his closet. Legit my hero

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u/snoogins355 Sep 30 '22

Look for the helpers

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u/stirs Sep 29 '22

My dads kinda cool tho, can I idolize him?

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u/AbsolutelyUnlikely Sep 29 '22

The only person you should be comparing yourself with is your past self.

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u/Majestic_Sir_4345 Sep 29 '22

I read that as your past elf and I was amused for a minute there.

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u/Direct_Fudge404 Sep 29 '22

Edit your comment to say keanu reaves instead of people and watch what happens. Nothing against the guy but idolizing is idolizing

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u/Slight-Ad-8440 Sep 29 '22

The richer you are the shitter of a person you usually are.

People suck, yes, but people with power are usually reprehensible.

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u/International_Slip Sep 29 '22

Generic tips are not better that situation-specific tips.

It's the difference between telling someone "eat lots of fiber" in general or saying the same thing when preparing for surgery.

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u/Mark7A Sep 29 '22

they’re just people

Soylent Green has entered the chat.

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u/KenJyi30 Sep 29 '22

This is kind of like the ‘all lives matter’ argument, yeah people suck but too many billionaires are evil and get a pass because of their PR teams. I think it’s worthwhile to try and see past that

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u/SPAZ707 Sep 29 '22

Having a great mentor is a cheat code in life so I wouldn't say idolizing the right mentor is a bad thing.

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u/wazupbro Sep 29 '22

You can learn fine from a mentor without idolizing them. Learn from both their strength and weaknesses

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u/ThatDestinyKid Sep 29 '22

even then that would be a person to respect, to value the opinion of, to give the benefit of the doubt perhaps, but still to idolize them would be something to avoid

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u/Educational-Row4301 Sep 29 '22

I hear ya but they will eventually fall short of your hopes and it will hurt ya

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u/jiffwaterhaus Sep 29 '22

Unless they're kpop idols, then it's their job and if you don't idolize them they get fired 😔 won't someone think of the professional idols

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u/taizzle71 Sep 29 '22

Forreal especially trump, what do people see in him baffles me. Celebrities too, sure I enjoy their movies and music but I'm not worshipping their life. If they have no impact in my life financially or emotionally I don't give 2 cents about you lol.

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u/UJthanos69 Sep 29 '22

Don't idolize anyone.

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u/ebon94 Sep 29 '22

not even this golden calf we worked really hard on?

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u/Sex_E_Searcher Sep 29 '22

Well, it's not a person, it's a calf, and it's an idol, so of course idolize it. What could go wrong?

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u/Funandgeeky Sep 29 '22

Besides, what’s-his-face had been up on that mountain for a while now. He ain’t coming back with those 15 Commandments he promised.

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u/chetoos08 Sep 29 '22

10 commandments. I didn’t break the third tablet and you can’t prove it

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u/unrebigulator Sep 30 '22

Whaddayareckon the other 5 were?

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u/NotClever Sep 30 '22

12: but seriously though, puff puff pass.

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u/dont_shoot_jr Sep 29 '22

Also don’t meet your heroes, just get a picture

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u/malklam Sep 29 '22

YOU CAN’T DISAPPOINT A PICTURE

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u/henkhenkhenkhenq Sep 29 '22

Reading raainbowwwssss *cries*.

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u/ninja-robot Sep 29 '22

This, anyone famous has a team of people managing their public perception but even non famous people you know can be putting on an act or simply make mistakes. Accept people as humans, aspire to be better but recognize that their are flaws in all of us.

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u/apersello34 Sep 29 '22

What about my dad

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u/slimrichard Sep 29 '22

Nah he's a dick and still owes me $5

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u/evils_twin Sep 29 '22

yeah, the same thing applies to any celebrity

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u/The_Scyther1 Sep 29 '22

There’s a reason older generations said “don’t meet your hero’s”.

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u/WV999x Sep 29 '22

More importantly also, don't idolize yourself. That's called Narcissism.

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u/Xendrus Sep 29 '22

idk Gilbert Gottfried is pretty great.

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u/scroopynoopersdid911 Sep 29 '22

No gods

No idols

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u/marmite1234 Sep 29 '22

My friend was a script writer who was involved in the production of some Hollywood flicks. He actually did get to meet a fair number of celebrities and said that without exception they were complete assholes. He said it had something to do with money & being surrounded by sycophants. It is deeply damaging to the soul.

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u/ace400 Sep 30 '22

I think celebrities are a special kind... its like giving a random dude on the street much money and fame. Ilthey could have a good character, but more likely they don't... some professions let you vaguely assume someone's character, but not actors/singers. No wo der that some of these people die using drugs or the like. You never know who with what problems gets fame...

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u/inspectorgadget9999 Sep 29 '22

Yep. I read Richard Brandons autobiography.

He's basically very very lucky to be where he is.

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u/Cinema_King Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

That’s true for most of them. Even if they’re smart and talented it takes a lot more to make it than just that.

Knowing the right people at the right times is much more important than talent. The only thing more important is being related to the right people.

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u/ErikkShone Sep 29 '22

I think the most important lesson that these people should be teaching is to BE PREPARED. You never know when you're going to be staring down the next opportunity, so work on yourself and be prepared to say yes if you want to. I'm in my thirties and I just recently found out about this mindset framing. It would have helped me immensely in my twenties.

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u/phamily_man Sep 29 '22

"When opportunity arrives it's already too late to prepare"

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u/TransposingJons Sep 29 '22

Being a narcissistic asshole is a common thread among "successful" people. You can get a lot done, illegally or otherwise, if you say things like: "Won't someone rid me of this troublesome Priest?"

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u/Maleficent-Number-10 Sep 29 '22

Greying the lines is also just toooo common.

I have to be careful with my business conversation and thoughts with businessmen to NOT be shared with common folks.

I instantly get reminded that this “grey area” is wrong, illegal, questionable.

What’s normal in “successful” financial circles is clearly not ok in average joe circles

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u/MyCrackpotTheories Sep 30 '22

In "The Grapes of Wrath", Steinbeck writes that "businessmen gather in clubs to reassure themselves that business is noble, and not the curious ritualized thievery they know it to be."

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u/Allmightydohllah Sep 29 '22

So what you're saying is those in business are mainly comprised of shady bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling. Why is it so hard to just provide a decent product or service that people would want to pay for? I feel like most of the time, it's people just trying to pull a fast one rather than actually building anything.

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u/ultratoxic Sep 29 '22

Think of it this way: in the business world, the laws of capitalism say you must take any advantage you can find and press it for all it's worth. Nothing is out of bounds except things so illegal that you think it might lead to the end of your business. And those are negotiable if you can find a patsy to take the hit for you.

In the public world, we try to work together, come to mutually beneficial solutions, and generally try to consider the impacts of our actions on the community around us. You can immediately see why using logic from the business world in front of non-business people would upset them.

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u/spinfip Sep 29 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It's far more expensive to do all that, and it cuts into their profits. If someone were to do such a silly thing, they would be out-competed and driven out of business by the less scrupulous.

In short, the carrots and sticks of capitalism demand that it be this way.

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u/Allmightydohllah Sep 29 '22

Sounds like late stage capitalism to me. If only someone could've seen this coming...

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u/shononi Sep 30 '22

How could we have known, it's not like some German philosopher predicted that this would happen 200 years ago...

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u/ParisGreenGretsch Sep 29 '22

Why is it so hard to just provide a decent product or service that people would want to pay for?

For the same reason that the baseball record books are written in steroid tainted blood.

If nobody enforces regulations people cheat. If you want to compete, you have to make hard decisions. It might look good on paper in the short term, but in the long run its a race to the bottom.

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u/julbull73 Sep 30 '22

Its more if one company cheats then others can't compete.

Ex: China hasn't grown their economy through innovation or invention or even improvements. They've grown by keeping labor costs low through any means necessary. Nothing more.

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u/Maleficent-Number-10 Sep 29 '22

Shady by average joe standards, yes. Tax avoidance is a clear example.

I have worked with hundreds if not thousands of businessmen in China, Russia, and Germany plus few other random countries. Small-medium companies, no yachts or private planes.

The sad blunt reality workers don’t get is that most business owners carry lots of risk, insane uncertainty, and often don’t get too rich in the process.

I can make a fortune this month, and nothing next month. Can you imagine how many bankruptcy’s and shop closures I have personally heard of over the past 10 years? Most know they won’t make it more than 5 years for tons of reasons.

Also margins are just tight especially if your up against huge players, Walmart, Amazon…. It’s hard to out sell them and yes, employees packages get squeezed just like the boss.

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u/_The_Judge Sep 29 '22

I always tell the Paramount Pictures and Film code stories when people talk about success. Most successful people did not make it there legally. They pushed the boundaries of the law and created new ones when it suited them. That's why you need "Rich Daddy Lawyer Money" if you are going to stay rich or become rich. See Winkelvoss twins.

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u/oilybarbour Sep 29 '22

The overwhelming majority of billionaires and multi-millionaires were born into wealthy well-connected families

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u/inm808 Sep 29 '22

Of those folks, 67.7% were self-made, while 23.7% had a combination of inherited and self-created wealth. Only 8.5% of global high-net-worth individuals were categorized as having completely inherited their wealth.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/26/majority-of-the-worlds-richest-people-are-self-made-says-new-report.html

Note it didn’t use to be like this. This is now because most new money is from tech companies and sky high valuations on the US stock market — where time from start to billion dollar valuation can happen in literal 5-10 years (even without big revenues)

Before that your options were real estate scion or ruthless industrialist, which take forever to get to, or, inherited heir of a last industrialist or scion

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u/shononi Sep 30 '22

How do they actually determine what wealth is and isn't "self-made" though? They say nothing about it in the article and I'm not allowed to download the report from the given source. Furthermore the source, "Wealth-X" seems to be a company focused on data analytics catering to large corporations, which makes me suspect it is rather biased.

Even if a billionaire is a lot more wealthy than their parents, the reason they have been able to make that wealth in the first place is usually having a very privileged background.

Take Elon Musk for example, he is much richer than his parents who are in the mining business, but he would likely not have been able to make such a successful company as Tesla without the massive grant he was given by his father to start the Company, so calling him "self-made" is just misleading.

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u/inm808 Sep 30 '22

Not sure. That’s a good point

Re the last part and Elon - What grant was he given?

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u/LaughingAtSpergs Sep 29 '22

While this is true, it feels like something people repeatedly tell themselves in an effort to conclude to something along the lines of "Yeah they're no smarter or more dedicated than me, they're just lucky!"

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u/Cinema_King Sep 29 '22

That’s definitely what many people do. Including me at times, but I also realize that it goes both ways. Some people are smarter and more talented than me but have fallen much further because they’re unlucky

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u/JimWilliams423 Sep 29 '22

That was it for me. I basically won the rat-race and looked back at all the people I still know in the rat race and they are all harder-working then I am. I'm not dumb, but my success was mostly due to being ruthless at just the right points in life and then coasting for the rest of it.  A couple of hard-nosed negotiations that didn't leave any money on the table doesn't make me more deserving than the people who never even got a seat at the table.

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u/t3a-nano Sep 29 '22

But maybe they honestly are.

As someone coming from the other direction, who's had great success, I don't know why people are so deathly afraid to admit they got lucky.

I could say I "worked hard", but the reality is probably no more so than anyone else with a full time job. The bulk of my success comes from luck with a small stock market investment that blew up, and correct timing for what I did next with the money.

Someone following my path a few months later would see wildly different outcomes, they'd have gotten fucked.

The world's a very random and unfair place, statically some of us are going to be dealt a shit hand, and others may have everything go in their favour.

I'm aware things may not always continue this great for me, but regardless I'm not gonna take it personally and make the best of how the dice land. Even if I was some crazy hard-working genius, there's a lot of external variables.

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u/Pee_on_tech Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

luck is most of the equation. they were lucky to be born in say america instead of syria. they were lucky to not have a debilitating disorder like blindness or deafness. you can make a list a miles long of the amount of things they were lucky to have. lucky to be intelligent and hard working, etc etc etc. of course the most successful people will never contribute anything they have to luck and that's why they have the least amount of empathy. i had a slide in my phd dissertation talk that was essentially how lucky i was to even be able to get a phd. many people don't even have the opportunity to because of a billion different reasons. i was able to hop, skip, jump past all those people because i never had to consider those difficulties. luck is basically privilege. i don't deserve success anymore than a random person plucked from the earth does.

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u/t3a-nano Sep 29 '22

Also if they're the source for media about them, take it with a huge grain of salt.

A documentary filmmaker isn't going to get access to them by shit talking them, and no one is going to admit they're a huge piece of shit in their own autobiography.

I recently watched "Carl Icahn: The restless billionaire" on HBO. He really likes to paint himself as someone who's simply holding wasteful and greedy executives accountable to their shareholders, rather than a ruthless corporate raider.

I bought auto parts from a company where he'd done such a thing. He outsourced manufacturing to China and cut QC, stock price jumped, he then sold the company at a nice profit.

Those parts lasted 6 fucking months in my car before they started clunking, the previous ones lasted over a decade. Avoided that brand for the second time around, and the new ones have been problem-free for years again.

Nowadays mechanics say their parts are garbage-tier junk branded with a once-great name, and their stock price is in the shitter again.

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u/BURNER12345678998764 Sep 29 '22

Which brand? Getting hard to get anything OE or better these days.

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u/_mango_mango_ Sep 30 '22

Probably Moog lol. I read so much about how they used to be good but now they're hit or miss.

Edit: sofar I see he bought and sold pep boys.

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u/Toast_Sapper Sep 29 '22

Yup, when highly successful people tell you "what worked for them" it's often a form of survivorship bias

Especially if they don't credit luck or even say "make your own luck" because they assume that they are successful because they did things that most people also do without reaching the same heights.

It's part of the narcissism that comes with success, once you start thinking " I deserve success because I did x, y, z" it's easy to give advice that "that's all it takes to be successful like me!" Which doesn't actually work without the huge stroke of luck that deserves most of the credit, and the level of self-awareness required to see that is beyond most "successful" people.

Which is why books like this are common, sell millions of copies, but don't produce millions of exceptionally successful people just overflowing with the same abundance of success.

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u/sob_Van_Owen Sep 29 '22

I try to tell more people about survivorship bias.

I lost over 100lbs and have kept it off for a couple decades. That makes me a statistical outlier. Would never tell people to do exactly as I have done as a recipe for success.

I am both lucky and privileged to have had the resources and circumstances to work out a very personal puzzle that has been necessary to maintaining my health.

It doesn't make me virtuous or possessed of iron willpower or whatever.

Of course there are plenty of folks cashing in selling that perception or some formula to their result.

Same with these ding dongs.

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u/theprocrastatron Sep 29 '22

I heard he's a poor man's Richard Branson

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u/fromageDegoutant Sep 29 '22

My thoughts exactly right after I read the Steve Jobs bio. No surprise, but the guy was a jerk.

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u/taipeir Sep 29 '22

He was also given more chances than many of his employees.

He had a failure with Next but was still rehired back to Apple. That worked out well but many wpuld never get a 2nd chance like him.

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u/gotobedhungry Sep 29 '22

Also, a lot of “self-made” businessmen on social media today are con men, or confidence men. They try to get you to be confident in them, and there is some angle. They may be a “large, experienced real estate investor.” In one case, there is a 24-year old with a picture of an old businessman. He talks a big game on social media. But when you look him up, he’s just a 24-year old real estate agent. And he’s trying to gather funds to syndicate real estate deals. Shady shady shady.

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u/jooes Sep 29 '22

They try to get you to be confident in them, and there is some angle.

Like that Tater Tot dipshit and his Hustler College.

You can be rich like me, for the low price of $50 a month!

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u/VeilOfTheForce Sep 29 '22

Avoid idolizing ANY human being. They are just people, no matter how talented in their field.

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u/Joesdad65 Sep 29 '22

Avoid idolizing people, period.

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u/TheDoc1223 Sep 29 '22

Fred Rodgers is the one human I idolize. That man had a spotless record and its my wholehearted and genuine belief he was the one person on this planet who was just entirely and truly “the good guy”. Not just publicly on Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood but behind the scenes he was just so pure itd be almost comedically and suspiciously implausible if not for the fact so many people have backed up his genuine amazingness as a human being. On his behalf, ofc, because Mr. Roger hated to brag and was known for literally uno reverse carding interviewers and asking them about their days and their lives because he just cared that fucking much.

Please fuck I hope theres no one here to go “Actually….” because Im killing myself if I find out Mr. Rogers was involved in some terrible scandal

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u/Joesdad65 Sep 29 '22

I'm not saying don't admire people. There are plenty of people to admire, famous and not famous. There are character traits to admire. But idolization sets us up for disappointment. Did Fred have bad days? I'm sure he did, but from all accounts he handled them well.

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u/TheDoc1223 Sep 29 '22

Oh yeah of course, dw I 110% agree and even people who might seem absolutely wholesome almost always have some skeletons in the closet. Hell, I just broke my friend’s heart the other day when he was admiring Seinfeld and I was like “didnt he date a 17 year old when he was 39?” So 999/1000 times I fully agree that no one is worth idolization/worship,

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the one MAJOR but extremely improbable exception to this solid rule is - in my opinion - Mr. Rogers. As you said though, even he had some bad days. At his worst he was likely still significantly kinder and better than 98% of the population. He was not perfect, he was not a God, thats impossible for anyone. But he was about as close to being absolutely pure down to the absolute core as Ive ever seen a human get. And that, that I admire to such an unfathomable degree and I wish more people admired it. Its sad domestic abusers can retain idolization status and respect (cough cough Chris Brown, Floyd Mayweather) but Mr. Rogers - though unanimously respected, doesnt have anywhere near the same presence and influence in society’s collective ethics and ideas as much worse people do. Which I find really sad, but understandable as he didnt wanna be a celebrity. He didnt wanna be idolized. He just wanted to do good, be good, and did best job of those two things Ive ever seen.

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u/Drink-my-koolaid Sep 30 '22 edited Sep 30 '22 Helpful

He WAS spotless, absolutely. BUT, and this is important, he came from an old money extremely wealthy family on both sides. His family had super connections that enabled him to quickly become the great children's tv show person.

For example (this is in his biography), after he gets out of college in 1951, his parents, who just so happened to be really good friends with the head of NBC, has the guy give him a job as an assistant producer of a children's show. He didn't work his way up from the mailroom. While in New York, he had an apartment on Park Avenue, not a walk-up in the Bronx with cockroaches and four roommates. Then he went to seminary school, and the University of Pittsburgh, where he worked with the famous child psychologist Margaret McFarland (another friend of his parents).

Everywhere he lived or studied, he had his grand piano shipped. Do you know how expensive it is to move a piano?

Honestly, he WAS a very good man, but I had a difficult time reading his biography and feeling jealous. Would Mister Rogers have accomplished even one tenth of the things he did if he were just some schmuck working in his father's brick factory?

edit: However, he used all his money, education and powers for good, VERY VERY good, so he's still excellent with me.

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u/ChuckFiinley Sep 29 '22

I don't know man, I know some really good people and I idolize them, at least some of their aspects.

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u/TheBunk_TB Sep 29 '22

Chuck, did you and Michael Westen make it out of Miami okay?

Storms were bad.

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u/monnembruedi Sep 29 '22

Same about politicians - left, right and center

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u/dpdxguy Sep 29 '22

Ditto most entertainers. Basically, anyone famous enough to have a publicist is more likely to be something other than what the public thinks they are.

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u/Trashytoad Sep 29 '22

Idolizing anything/anyone is never a good idea imo. Being passionate about someone/something is fine, but when you put all the faith you have into a singularity your setting yourself up for disappointment

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u/Both_Promotion_8139 Sep 29 '22

Been saying this about Elon & Bezos for years.

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u/MouseTheOwlSlayer Sep 29 '22

Elon's fanboys are wild. It's such a cult of personality, and I cannot comprehend why people like him. He's such an awkward, creepy man-child with an abundance of stupid ideas, and so many people act like they would straight up die for him. Like he is a legitimate savior to these people. But he's just...so lame.

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u/WatInTheForest Sep 29 '22

There was a time where it seemed like he wanted to reinvent infrastructure for the entire world. That was a nice change of pace from the usual billionaires who only ever talked about "the market."

But now we know Elon is an asshole in all the usual rich man ways, and some additional ways, AND his lofty infrastructure plans were never workable.

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u/ImperialVizier Sep 29 '22

Thats because he drank his own koolaid.

And then his own cum just for the fun of it.

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u/Gutter_Dove Sep 29 '22

He's such an awkward, creepy man-child with an abundance of stupid ideas

That's why his fanboys love him. He's just like them, only he was lucky enough to have benefited from apartheid.

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u/International_Slip Sep 29 '22

I think he's benefitted from how lame billionaires are in general. This is a guy who is pretending he's squashing unions to "save humanity" by going to Mars.

It's sexy in a "bar is kinda empty, that 4 looks like an 8" kind of way.

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u/sl600rt Sep 30 '22

I don't idolize elon, but I am a huge fan of what tesla, spacex, and neuralink are doing and want to do. Plus it's entertaining watching people lose their shit over Elon.

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u/JimWilliams423 Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 29 '22

I cannot comprehend why people like him.

In a weird way, personality disorders are infectious. When someone with a personality disorder attains a position of influence, they end up spreading their self-centered way of thinking to the people who listen to them. Not everybody is susceptible, and it is a spectrum, not a binary effect; but they can bring it out in the people who already have some of those latent characteristics.

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u/ettubrute_42 Sep 30 '22

Truth. I come from a long line of "successful business people" and every single one has diagnosable narcisstic personality disorder. They make money off the backs of others. None of us would want to be like them.

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u/robinholmes2020 Sep 29 '22

They better have a good PR team. Maintaining that sort of power is impossible with good ethics. You will have to play dirty.

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u/aintnufincleverhere Sep 29 '22

Yup.

Do not concern yourself with the plight of billionaires.

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u/TeapotsPeeInYou23 Sep 29 '22

Bill Gates.

Literally has stated he's an ass.

His whole thing is PR now.

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u/spanky_dangles Sep 29 '22

You’d be surprised. I’ve booked hundreds of high profile types for industrial events over my career… politicians, celebrities, business leaders, etc. More often than not the ones you expect to be total douchbags aren’t and vice versa. The handlers and the support teams are usually the ones you have to watch out for.

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u/MagicNewb45 Sep 29 '22 edited Sep 30 '22

Wealthy businesspeople, actors / actresses, sports stars, politicians. They're just people, like you and me. They just had a better start, extreme luck, or better opportunities. And yeah, not unless you've interacted with them personally on a regular basis, you really won't know who they really are.

EDIT: OP’s topic is about their kindness / ethics, not talent. You can definitely idolize based on talent.

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u/dirice87 Sep 29 '22

Very good reason why it’s hard for me to have any respect for people in PR professions, especially large agencies that aren’t picky with who they deal with as long as they are paid.

Ok cool, you’re good at manipulating people. Why would I want to be in any kind of interaction with you?

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u/Chucolate915 Sep 29 '22

I am pretty sure most people look up to powerful businessmen due to their business success and not really their personality. I think most people expect businessmen to be ruthless, and those who idolize them tend to want to have those qualities

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u/thefonztm Sep 29 '22

You can safely change most to all. Even the genuinely nice ones don't get to where they are by putting others first.

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u/AsIamsoyouwillbe Sep 29 '22

I feel like Elon Musk’s fans are the ones that need to hear this the most. I don’t know what exactly it is about that guy but he has a lot of young white guys licking his boots especially hard. They actually buy into this stupid quasi Tony Stark/Ironman image that he has. Instead he is rich from grifting the tax payers and money he got from his apartheid parents.

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u/Cyberblood Sep 29 '22

You will never stop me from loving GabeN

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u/ipulloffmygstring Sep 29 '22

I swear you could tell when Elon Musk's PR team changed.

He used to have a really clean and genuinely wholesome-seeming image.

Then they didn't use his unrealistic mini-submarine idea to save those kids stuck in an underwater cave in Thailand.

Musk tweeted something about one of the more experienced divers being a pedo or something and it's been down hill from there.

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u/PlanetExpressATL Sep 29 '22

TL/DR: Stop jerking off Elon Musk, you nerds.

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u/Mordac1989 Sep 29 '22

I would say just Avoid idolizing people

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u/yamaha2000us Sep 29 '22

No one deserves idolization.

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u/LucidTonic Sep 29 '22

People need to remember Elon Musk is not a genius, he was just born with emerald mine money and says a lot of dumb things on Twitter that get him attention.

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u/princeps_astra Sep 29 '22

You don't become a billionaire by being nice

Even someone as cool looking as Mark Cuban

The only way you can be a billionaire is profiting from the huge imbalance between salaried work and revenue from ownership. The only way you can be a billionaire is by exploiting people, whether you do it actively or not

Fuck em

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u/SpikeMartins Sep 29 '22

Not a pro tip by any stretch of the imagination. It's a life tip for children.

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u/MonosyllabicMan Sep 29 '22

Avoid idolizing people. Period

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u/Mike_B_R Sep 29 '22

Just think of Trump and the morons that idolize him when idolizing Bezos or Musk.

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u/Fengsel Sep 30 '22

same goes for celebs and utubers etc

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u/ServedBestDepressed Sep 29 '22

Robber barons knew their name carried the weight of being hated by almost everyone, so now they try to get themselves passed off as "philanthropists". Rich people are.not good people

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u/xopranaut Sep 29 '22

Ignore this guy, I’m definitely going to Mars.

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u/BlueTeale Sep 29 '22

I love you.

Plz tweet my crypto

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u/PercussiveRussel Sep 29 '22

I will, but don't tweet my private jet or I will threaten to buy up twitter to make it go away

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u/Intelligent_Lead8318 Sep 29 '22

You do not become a billionaire by being nice and cuddly. You need to be a bad and ruthless person to become filthy rich. That's a simple truth.

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u/inm808 Sep 30 '22

I think there are examples of billionaires who acquired their wealth through pure excellence

Bloomberg terminal invented an entirely new industry of financial data, and it’s product excellence just totally dominates the area. The later competiton of Reuters doesn’t even come close

Unlike other tech products which rely on data harvesting, Bloomberg’s revenue is entirely from paying customers. Their product is so good that people want it, simple as that

It’s very cheap to make, no environmental gutting (in fact the opposite as he’s single handedly shutting down coal plants), and most importantly the employees are treated great and paid very highly. In the early days they paid way more than other software jobs. No exploited workers

I’m not sure there’s any other examples lol but basically Bloomberg is a shining example of what American creativity and business excellence should be. Simply be the best and everything will follow

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u/oxjox Sep 30 '22

Ruthless, perhaps. Bad, not at all.

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u/lincolnhawk Sep 29 '22

I’ve met several billionaires, and I wouldn’t characterize any of them as well-adjusted, admirable people. I kinda think they intuitively understand they’re an economic aberration that shouldn’t exist, and they struggle to cope. Not a situation I would aspire to. If you need more money after several hundred million, you’ve got fucked up priorities.

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u/ipiers24 Sep 30 '22

Poor people defending the rich is worse than people defending the police

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u/Tallahkz Sep 29 '22

This also goes for artists, actors, influencers etc. Most people with a machine behind them aren't nearly as kind as they pay people to make them look

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u/abenavides Sep 29 '22

you can't tell me what to do. also, people suck.

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u/I_Cant_Alphabet Sep 29 '22

People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling

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u/aces_high_2_midnight Sep 29 '22

The same could go for pro athletes, actors, pop/ rock stars etc. The old saying "never meet your heroes" is a valid one.

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u/Playful-Opportunity5 Sep 29 '22

Case in point: neither Bill nor Melinda Gates write their own tweets. They have staff members who write and publish them. In some cases, they don’t even review the tweet before it’s posted. Same for speeches, TED Talks, etc.

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u/Kemyst Sep 29 '22

This ain’t happening in America. People idolize the rich because they are rich, not because they think they are kind people.

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u/tiger666 Sep 29 '22

Fuck mElon Husk, all my homies hate mElon Husk

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u/katiecharm Sep 29 '22

Elon Musk literally has a team that makes sure popular tech forums always have a topic about him up. He used this to great effect in the 2010’s.

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u/eastandwestagain Sep 29 '22

Looking at you, musk bootlickers

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u/ConcernedKip Sep 29 '22

so basically i shouldnt assume the best about someone, i should assume the worst. Another stupid LPT

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u/Icy-Performance-3739 Sep 29 '22

This is a really useful and great post. Well done. You are actually smart! Because this is absolutely true. My sibling is one of the richest most famous asshole scumbags you all know and love. Can confirm. They are mostly pigs that don't believe a single word they say.

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u/DangWoa Sep 30 '22

While I started realizing that a few years back I had hope that Bob Iger was "one of the good ones" that didn't fall into that category.

Then I read this little piece on how his entire persona was carefully crafted by his head of PR.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/zenia-much-disney-pr-retire-column-1234985254/amp/

That's not to say he's scum -- he has left plenty of positive relationships in his wake according to those that have worked with him. But it just goes to show that even the very best on the highest pedestal are still human.

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u/thegrimm54321 Sep 30 '22

Avoid idolizing wealthy people*

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u/CanolaIsMyHome Sep 30 '22

Or they also had a bunch of connections and rich family memebers/friends to get them set up